Ms. Marvel - SPOILERS

[Guy Gardener]

Is her death a response to poor sales on her book?

[Hermiod]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Is her death a response to poor sales on her book?

I have no idea how well her book sells or any interest.

[matthunter]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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How much shit is Carol going to get from the rest of the new Averngers when she shows up with her tail between her legs at Bucky's pad?

"Sorry for spending the last 6 months hunting y'all like dogs."

The way Marvel's going at the moment, I'd give it five minutes before she and a male New Avenger act upon their long-unspoken lust for each other and all is forgiven.

Look how quickly She-Hulk went from boffing Stark to beating the crap outta him (before getting a dose of S.P.I.N. tech...)

And, yeah, I know... it's She-Hulk... but c'mon. Clint Barton's only been restored to life for... how long? And he's had more tail than I've gotten in 10 years. These characters are horn-dogs.

[Guy Gardener]

How serious is her thing with Simon?

[goblin9]

Ms. Marvel book does not sell very good. Diamond (the selling for retailers in the US) puts the book in the 30000 copies area with a steady slow decline.

the books of 20000 and below are those which usually get canceled.

The reason for the titular character change is definitely about boosting sales during Dark Reign. But this does not mean the slaughtering of Carol, just a temporary change in direction, like all Dark Reign titles.

Now, Hermiod - just think about it. If the reason for not putting a funeral issue is "People do not care enough", do you really think they would publish one-shots like "Ms. Marvel - Storyteller"? A funeral one-shot would sell better for sure. Esp. if you can put "Dark Reign" tag on the cover.

Also, people care more about Wasp in "Mighty Avengers" than about Carol Danvers in "Ms. Marvel"? She really isn't some random character.

Carol Danvers just joined the New Avengers. She appeared in 48 and 49 and on the cover of 50. Bendis announced in an interview, the same day Brian Reed tried to market the death of Carol Danvers, that Carol will be a big part in New Avengers.

As for the Simon thing, I read somewhere that Bendis mentioning Wonder Man to appear in New Avengers 51. Also, I clearly remember Reed answering in his board to Wonder Man fan, that Wonder Man will appear in the Avengers and will continue a plot started in Ms. Marvel (The only plot he got there was romance with Carol).

[Guy Gardener]

I mean seriously did anyone give a poop about Mar-Vel before he died in that Jim Starlin masterpiece The Death of Captain Marvel? His death made him.

[RJDiogenes]

JoeZhang wrote:

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What's the problem with that in funnybooks?

Heh.

The problem, for one thing, is that even though comics are still considered a children's medium, the average age of the readers is older than it used to be (which is not entirely a good thing); so the audience should be looking for more sophisticated content. Personally, I barely bother with Marvel anymore. Secondly, it used to be that the creators behind the books were mature adults who, even if they created stories that were accessible to younger readers, wrote on a level that adults could appreciate and kids could reach for. The current crop under Joe Quesada seem like they've graduated from keying cars and spray-painting graffiti on houses to destroying the creations of greater talents who came before them. They not only lack talent and/or skill, they lack respect.

[3D Master]

To illustrate the horror of this: Who the F is Moonstone!? And why the F should I care one wit that she disrespectfully takes Ms Marvel's name for herself!?

[M'rk, son of Mogh]

3D Master wrote:

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To illustrate the horror of this: Who the F is Moonstone!?

She's been around since the late 70's. Never a top tier villain, but I had more than a few old Hulk and Captain America comics with her in them.

She eventually became one of the original Thunderbolts, which was a pretty big thing in the 90's.

[Guy Gardener]

She spent the entire Siege at Avengers Mansion trying to wrestle control of the Masters of Evil from Baron Zemo using "psychology".

Oh, and she used to have sex with Hawkeye.

[Hermiod]

I've read #35 now and I'm starting to worry that the fake-out is, in fact, a double fake-out and she's going to die despite the false identity.

And what is going on with her powers ? She punches Marvel Boy and hurts him but the dialogue (and last month's issue) make it seem like there's something odd going on.

[Pensive]

matthunter wrote:

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Look how quickly She-Hulk went from boffing Stark to beating the crap outta him (before getting a dose of S.P.I.N. tech...)

I think that's more a reflection on Tony's boffing habits than hers.

I was a little underwhelmed with the latest Ms. Marvel ish-- put me in the camp of people who are like "Who the hell is Mar-vell/Noh-varr/Captain Marvel and why the hell does he matter and have a church"

[Guy Gardener]

The Church was a Skrull plot which has been annihilated.

Oh, and there was a She Hulk Doppleganger from an alternate dimension wandering around for years, so really, she never slept with Juggernaut.

[JM1776]

RJDiogenes wrote:

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The current crop under Joe Quesada seem like they've graduated from keying cars and spray-painting graffiti on houses to destroying the creations of greater talents who came before them. They not only lack talent and/or skill, they lack respect.

Well and truly said.

[Guy Gardener]

It hasn't happened yet. You don't lose a book and get replaced by someone skinnier, younger and blonder just because you change your name. Well, Supergirl did.

We are going to see the death of Ms. Marvel and it's going to great.