Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests?

Aquehonga · January 25 2009, 07:58 AM

I heard George Lucas/LucasFilms had SW Fan Film contests & they were sort of SW's analogue or parallel of Pocket Books now-extinct Strange New Worlds Contests.

If SW can have Fan Film contests where, I'm assuming, winning entries were both officially CANONized {or at LEAST quasi-canonized} & winners, I hope, were financially rewarded as well, then why can't STAR TREK/B&B/Paramount do the same thing

I'm right about the SW Fan Film Contests yes

Or is that just internet scuttlebutt through the grapewhine

What do YOU think about the idea of ST Fan Films Contests? Should they become a reality?

If they did, winner's films should be officially CANONized, well, OFFICIALLY quasi-canonized, being realistic considering ST & it's very limited “Sphere of Canonicity”. Plus winners should be rewarded financially as well & I don't mean mere bags of shells.

Well, that's my idea(s) for ST Fan Film Contests & the rewards I think winners should get.

This topic is for the hoped future benefit of ST Fan Film makers. I am not 1 of them/you & due to lack of equipment/supplies, WON'T be a ST Fan Film maker anytime soon.

What do YOU think of my suggestion(s) here (whether you're a ST Fan Film maker or not)?

Admiral Buzzkill · January 25 2009, 08:01 AM

I think the idea of competitions among fan films is unpleasant and as someone who works on them I would not be interested.

Broccoli · January 25 2009, 08:46 AM

The Star Wars fan films are never canonized. Star Trek fan films should never be canonized. TPTB at Paramount/CBS should never get involved with fan films on any official level other then how they are now. TPTB should never host a contest. Fan Film contests, as an idea, are not that bad of one, as long as it is not taken seriously and a contest is just meant for fun with the winner mostly just getting bragging rights. Those who like fan films can see them and can have access to, theoretically, a wide range. Plus, it is a good way for fan film makers to network.

Aquehonga · January 25 2009, 09:44 AM

Thanks for all the feedback so far.

This is just an idea anyway, an abstraction for the present, & probably farseeable future.

What I'm envisioning would just be a Fan Film equivalent of PB's extinguished SNW Contests.

I went overboard, ^ ,stressing canonicity, well it would really be semi- or quasi-canonicity yes

Trek Literature is all essentially quasi-canon, or q-c until its contradicted on screen. So much for those SW Fan Films having any canon huh?

I overhyped the monetary reward aspect too. That's a given in such contests anyway. My stressing of that element was executed shamelessly & sloppily

JNG · January 25 2009, 03:58 PM

Aquehonga wrote:

I went overboard, ^ ,stressing canonicity, well it would really be semi- or quasi-canonicity yes

Trek Literature is all essentially quasi-canon, or q-c until its contradicted on screen. So much for those SW Fan Films having any canon huh?

Trek "literature" is not canon. Onscreen material is canon, but not fan films.

By "B&B" do you mean Berman and Braga? Those people have nothing to do with Star Trek any more, and given the comments I read about them on this message board, I don't know how excited the fans would be to have them involved in any Trek fan productions (not that either would be particularly likely to participate in the first place).

Admiral Buzzkill · January 25 2009, 06:45 PM

JNG wrote:

Aquehonga wrote:

I went overboard, ^ ,stressing canonicity, well it would really be semi- or quasi-canonicity yes

Trek Literature is all essentially quasi-canon, or q-c until its contradicted on screen. So much for those SW Fan Films having any canon huh?

Trek "literature" is not canon. Onscreen material is canon, but not fan films.

By "B&B" do you mean Berman and Braga?

I still always read it as "bed and breakfast."

Aquehonga · January 25 2009, 07:22 PM

JNG wrote:

By "B&B" do you mean Berman and Braga? Those people have nothing to do with Star Trek any more, and given the comments I read about them on this message board, I don't know how excited the fans would be to have them involved in any Trek fan productions (not that either would be particularly likely to participate in the first place).

So true. And I'm 1 of those aficionados

with B&B.

Figured B&B would unfortunately have to be involved in said FF contest(s) above. A necessary evil I'd figured.

Glad to hear B&B aren't involved in ST or work in Paramount's ST Dept anymore

ST is now free of B&B's stranglehold

True TrekLit ain't canon, sans novel & comic book adaptations of Trek TV shows & films. But TrekLit is a sort of quasi-canon (pseudo-canon really) in that a certain book may be “solid” or “accepted” until utterly contradicted on screen.

Perfect example is the novel DARK MIRROR. That was “canon” (well semi/quasi/sorta-canon) until DS9's CROSSOVER aired. Ever since, DM has lost it's pseudo-“canonicity”, the quasi-canonship it had.

But DM was NEVER technically, officially CANON & certainly has no chance of ever being so now.

I wish B&B only stood for Bed & Breakfast but 2 assclowns rained on that parade

Broccoli · January 25 2009, 08:12 PM

Aquehonga wrote:

ST is now free of B&B's stranglehold

But TrekLit is a sort of quasi-canon (pseudo-canon really) in that a certain book may be “solid” or “accepted” until utterly contradicted on screen.

No. It's not.

Aquehonga · January 25 2009, 08:35 PM

Broccoli wrote:

Aquehonga wrote:

But TrekLit is a sort of quasi-canon (pseudo-canon really) in that a certain book may be “solid” or “accepted” until utterly contradicted on screen.

No. It's not.

My bad

Venardhi · January 25 2009, 09:53 PM

The Star Wars fan-film competitions were only for the parody fanfilms with no straight/dramatic entries allowed. I was pretty active on TFN's fan film board and the overwhelming opinion of the populace (minus the couple winners and a handful of others) was that it was a crock of shit with someone trying to make some money off of the work of the fans by airing all these fan films without having to actually buy them or get entanged in Lucasfilm's legal dept. .

Admiral Buzzkill · January 25 2009, 10:05 PM

Aquehonga wrote:

I wish B&B only stood for Bed & Breakfast but 2 assclowns rained on that parade

They did their jobs. You?

USS Intrepid · January 25 2009, 10:26 PM

While I don't think any sort of official fanfilm awards would be particularly beneficial, I'll say for the record, that I'd be quite happy for the opportunity to work with Berman and Braga.

Make of that what you will.

Lindley · January 25 2009, 11:54 PM

The word "canon" is being thrown around here when what is meant is "continuity". A fair number of the Trek novels share a common continuity at this point (following, finally, in Star Wars' lead in that respect). Similarly, many of the extant Trek fan films are tying together their continuities.

Aquehonga · January 26 2009, 04:19 AM

Starship Polaris wrote:

They did their jobs. You?

As the tree said to the lumberjack:

“I'm stumped”

xortex · January 26 2009, 08:56 AM

Where money is concerned, there is no such thing as reverent altruism, there is only predators with larger and larger teeth.

January 25 2009, 07:58 AM	#1
Aquehonga Fleet Captain Location: nuSpringville Transbus Hub: there be Yukon deers on them buses!	Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests? I heard George Lucas/LucasFilms had SW Fan Film contests & they were sort of SW's analogue or parallel of Pocket Books now-extinct Strange New Worlds Contests. If SW can have Fan Film contests where, I'm assuming, winning entries were both officially CANONized {or at LEAST quasi-canonized} & winners, I hope, were financially rewarded as well, then why can't STAR TREK/B&B/Paramount do the same thing I'm right about the SW Fan Film Contests yes Or is that just internet scuttlebutt through the grapewhine What do YOU think about the idea of ST Fan Films Contests? Should they become a reality? If they did, winner's films should be officially CANONized, well, OFFICIALLY quasi-canonized, being realistic considering ST & it's very limited “Sphere of Canonicity”. Plus winners should be rewarded financially as well & I don't mean mere bags of shells. Well, that's my idea(s) for ST Fan Film Contests & the rewards I think winners should get. This topic is for the hoped future benefit of ST Fan Film makers. I am not 1 of them/you & due to lack of equipment/supplies, WON'T be a ST Fan Film maker anytime soon. What do YOU think of my suggestion(s) here (whether you're a ST Fan Film maker or not)?

January 25 2009, 08:01 AM	#2
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests? I think the idea of competitions among fan films is unpleasant and as someone who works on them I would not be interested. __________________ "I think [J.J. Abrams has] done a great thing for Star Trek. I’m very grateful to him. We all owe him a lot. When someone comes along like he has done and picks it up and elevates it, we should be grateful." - Leonard Nimoy

January 25 2009, 08:46 AM	#3
Broccoli Vice Admiral Location: Broccoli	Re: Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests? The Star Wars fan films are never canonized. Star Trek fan films should never be canonized. TPTB at Paramount/CBS should never get involved with fan films on any official level other then how they are now. TPTB should never host a contest. Fan Film contests, as an idea, are not that bad of one, as long as it is not taken seriously and a contest is just meant for fun with the winner mostly just getting bragging rights. Those who like fan films can see them and can have access to, theoretically, a wide range. Plus, it is a good way for fan film makers to network. __________________ "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

January 25 2009, 09:44 AM	#4
Aquehonga Fleet Captain Location: nuSpringville Transbus Hub: there be Yukon deers on them buses!	Re: Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests? Thanks for all the feedback so far. This is just an idea anyway, an abstraction for the present, & probably farseeable future. What I'm envisioning would just be a Fan Film equivalent of PB's extinguished SNW Contests. I went overboard, ^ ,stressing canonicity, well it would really be semi- or quasi-canonicity yes Trek Literature is all essentially quasi-canon, or q-c until its contradicted on screen. So much for those SW Fan Films having any canon huh? I overhyped the monetary reward aspect too. That's a given in such contests anyway. My stressing of that element was executed shamelessly & sloppily Last edited by Aquehonga; January 25 2009 at 09:45 AM. Reason: omission

January 25 2009, 09:53 PM	#10
Venardhi Vice Admiral Location: Constant transit	Re: Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests? The Star Wars fan-film competitions were only for the parody fanfilms with no straight/dramatic entries allowed. I was pretty active on TFN's fan film board and the overwhelming opinion of the populace (minus the couple winners and a handful of others) was that it was a crock of shit with someone trying to make some money off of the work of the fans by airing all these fan films without having to actually buy them or get entanged in Lucasfilm's legal dept. . __________________ "There is no reason why good cannot triumph as often as evil. The triumph of anything is a matter of organization. If there are such things as angels, I hope that they are organized along the lines of the Maffia." - Winston Niles Rumfoord.

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January 25 2009, 10:26 PM	#12
USS Intrepid Commodore Location: Dundee, Scotland, UK	Re: Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests? While I don't think any sort of official fanfilm awards would be particularly beneficial, I'll say for the record, that I'd be quite happy for the opportunity to work with Berman and Braga. Make of that what you will. __________________ Star Trek: Intrepid

January 25 2009, 11:54 PM	#13
Lindley Moderator with a Soul Location: Fairfax, VA	Re: Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests? The word "canon" is being thrown around here when what is meant is "continuity". A fair number of the Trek novels share a common continuity at this point (following, finally, in Star Wars' lead in that respect). Similarly, many of the extant Trek fan films are tying together their continuities. __________________ Lead Organizer for EVN: Firefly. "So apparently the really smart zombies have automatic weapons!" -Torg, Sluggy Freelance

January 26 2009, 08:56 AM	#15
xortex Commodore Location: Staten Island, NY	Re: Should B&B have a Fan Film version of PB's defunct SNW Contests? Where money is concerned, there is no such thing as reverent altruism, there is only predators with larger and larger teeth.