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Old January 23 2009, 02:16 AM   #46
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Re: 2009 Oscar Nominations

The Dark Knight didn't deserve any nominations in my opinion, no matter how popular it was. Ledger's performance was excellent, but it was not a challenging role. Downey's performance was much superior, much more challenging technically and even funnier.

Sites like metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes can still suffer sampling errors. The large number of samples doesn't remove the problem of rating ambiguous reviews. Even worse, regarding critical reviews as samples of a move's quality, then simply counting them doesn't address systematic errors in the reviewing process. Such as the desire of critics to not be too different from their audience. Indeed, many critics operate as a feature designed to attract readers, and their reviews as a whole operate as barometers of popularity, not artistic quality. The emphasis on internet feedback has sharpened this tendency.

Don't forget, reverse snobbery ("just plain folks" or faux populism) is no more valid than snobbery.

Anyone who imagines Hollywood is some far left ivory tower either hasn't actually been paying attention to what's on their screens, or has a far right perspective. Or both.

As for rants about PC---everyone who is being honest knows that pretty much the only "PC" that is widespread is disdain for people who use racial epithets. Feeling that is dire insult says too much about you.
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Old January 23 2009, 02:19 AM   #47
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Ledger's performance was excellent, but it was not a challenging role. Downey's performance was much superior, much more challenging technically and even funnier.
While The Dark Knight didn't deserve a Best Picture nod, and RDJ's performance truly is worthy, don't discount Ledger's...which is also more than worthy. There is some truly phenomenal acting going on there, like that which is rarely seen. Maybe not everyone's cup of tea in terms of how enjoyable one finds it, but it's one hell of a performance.
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Old January 23 2009, 03:31 AM   #48
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I can't believe Revolutionary Road was totally shut out. Kate Winslet and Leonard DiCaprio were both phenomenal, and the adaptation was incredibly true to the book.
That actually didn't surprise me at all. The reviews I've read have been very mixed at best, though most have been very complimentary of Winslet. I hope she pulls in Oscar gold some day, because she's truly been taking chances in a variety of films.


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While The Dark Knight didn't deserve a Best Picture nod, and RDJ's performance truly is worthy, don't discount Ledger's...which is also more than worthy. There is some truly phenomenal acting going on there, like that which is rarely seen. Maybe not everyone's cup of tea in terms of how enjoyable one finds it, but it's one hell of a performance.
Couldn't agree with you more. I went to see The Dark Knight fully expecting to be underwhelmed considering the galactic hype, especially when it came to Heath Leder's turn as the Joker. But her impressed me to significant degrees. His performance really seemed to depict a strange madness I hadn't seen before. Death or not, in my eyes e fully deserves at least the nomination.
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Old January 23 2009, 04:56 AM   #49
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Once again Kate Winslet gets an Oscar nom. Sadly, I fear once again she'll leave empty handed.
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Old January 23 2009, 05:03 AM   #50
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Robert Downey Jr. for Tropic Thunder! That's the greatest nomination the Oscars have ever made!
Another field where the winner is a foregone conclusion, but I'm sure Downey will get more insane roles like that, which will give him chances to win...hey what about Cowboys and Aliens?
What the hell is Milk or The Reader? Has any average film goer even heard of these films?
The Oscars are becoming an art-film ghetto. But I prefer that to them becoming just another iteration of the People's Choice Award. Let em be highbrow, they'll pay for it by taking a hit in the Nielsens.
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Old January 23 2009, 01:02 PM   #51
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Once again Kate Winslet gets an Oscar nom. Sadly, I fear once again she'll leave empty handed.
If Angelina Jolie wins instead of Kate Winslet, I will barf. I'm annoyed she got a nomination over Sally Hawkins.
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Old January 23 2009, 02:06 PM   #52
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Once again Kate Winslet gets an Oscar nom. Sadly, I fear once again she'll leave empty handed.
Well she needs to do a film about the Holocaust
"I'm doing it because I've noticed that if you do a film about the Holocaust you're guaranteed an Oscar. I've been nominated four times; never won. The whole world is going 'why hasn't Winslet won one?' That's it, that's why I'm doing it. Schlinder's bloody List! The Pianist. Oscar's coming out of their arse"
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Old January 23 2009, 02:12 PM   #53
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Well she needs to do a film about the Holocaust
"The Reader" is just that, isn't it?
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Old January 23 2009, 02:43 PM   #54
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Robert Downey Jr. for Tropic Thunder! That's the greatest nomination the Oscars have ever made! I love Ledgers performance, but I hope RDJ wins, as the nomination and performance is more courageous than Ledgers.

Way to go, RDJ!
Yeah, but he's not going to win. That award belongs and will stay with Heath.
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Old January 23 2009, 07:13 PM   #55
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Robert Downey Jr. for Tropic Thunder! That's the greatest nomination the Oscars have ever made! I love Ledgers performance, but I hope RDJ wins, as the nomination and performance is more courageous than Ledgers.

Way to go, RDJ!
Yeah, but he's not going to win. That award belongs and will stay with Heath.
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Old January 23 2009, 07:24 PM   #56
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Well she needs to do a film about the Holocaust
"The Reader" is just that, isn't it?
I don't know anything about it
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Old January 23 2009, 07:32 PM   #57
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What the hell is Milk or The Reader? Has any average film goer even heard of these films?
The Oscars are becoming an art-film ghetto. But I prefer that to them becoming just another iteration of the People's Choice Award. Let em be highbrow, they'll pay for it by taking a hit in the Nielsens.
I can't speak to Milk or The Reader which I haven't seen and may very well be art house films, but Frost/Nixon and in particular Slumdog Millionaire, while small films are not. Frost/Nixon, as strange as it is going to sound, is more like a crowd pleasing boxing film than anything else. Subject matter and quality aside, it's structured like a Rocky film; Nixon as Apollo Creed. And Slumdog while quite good and inventive in many places, mixes very familiar audience pleasing Hollywood ideas. It is only the central plot conceit and the "exotic" locale which hides this familiarity from immediate detection.
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Old January 24 2009, 12:31 AM   #58
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Ledger's performance was excellent, but it was not a challenging role. Downey's performance was much superior, much more challenging technically and even funnier.
While The Dark Knight didn't deserve a Best Picture nod, and RDJ's performance truly is worthy, don't discount Ledger's...which is also more than worthy. There is some truly phenomenal acting going on there, like that which is rarely seen. Maybe not everyone's cup of tea in terms of how enjoyable one finds it, but it's one hell of a performance.
Great point. RDJ did an outstanding job, but his role did not quite hit those depths that I saw Ledger pull off. Every now and then an actor really hits it, and Ledger did. But this is one of the problems with the nature of this kind of award show - so many great performances can get overlooked or not even recognized, let alone the problem of different performances 'competing'.
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Old January 24 2009, 12:37 AM   #59
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Even if you forget the subject matter - which is admittedly Oscar bait, Milk is just a great looking film and as such, deserves to at least be acknowledged.
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Old January 24 2009, 02:40 AM   #60
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Even if you forget the subject matter - which is admittedly Oscar bait, Milk is just a great looking film and as such, deserves to at least be acknowledged.
It's that point that I think gets lost in the shuffle sometimes. Winning the Oscar is a great achievement, the goal of so many pictures. However, just being nominated is a great thing to. Is it as great as winning? No, but it sure has its benefits.
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