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Old January 22 2009, 09:23 PM   #31
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Re: 2009 Oscar Nominations

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I'm not surprised The Dark Knight didn't get nominated, but it's a great example of why the Oscars are turning into an irrelevant exercise. It's not about what film was truely the best or what film really struck home with the consumers who go see these movies. It's about what film is good politically and baited so much that the Academy has to nominate them.
Actually it seems its mostly about "who's going to wear what dress"
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Old January 22 2009, 09:33 PM   #32
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I'm not surprised The Dark Knight didn't get nominated, but it's a great example of why the Oscars are turning into an irrelevant exercise. It's not about what film was truely the best or what film really struck home with the consumers who go see these movies. It's about what film is good politically and baited so much that the Academy has to nominate them.
Actually it seems its mostly about "who's going to wear what dress"
That too.
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Old January 22 2009, 09:40 PM   #33
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Wow, what a yawner. I don't get the love for the Oscars as it's all so bloody boring and this year is no different.
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Old January 22 2009, 09:53 PM   #34
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I probably won't be watching it this year.

Nothing much there to interest me.
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Old January 22 2009, 10:13 PM   #35
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I can't believe Revolutionary Road was totally shut out. Kate Winslet and Leonard DiCaprio were both phenomenal, and the adaptation was incredibly true to the book. I haven't seen The Reader yet, but I hope it's as strong a performance as her one in RR was. She really was great in that movie.

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What the hell is Milk or The Reader? Has any average film goer even heard of these films? I never thought The Dark Knight was brilliant but surley due to its succes at the box office and its good word of mouth it should of atleast got a nomination.
The Reader was actually based off a bestselling novel that was, IIRC, an Oprah book. So I'm not sure how wide the film's release is, but my guess is that there are many who are familiar with it and the novel it is based off of.

That being said, the Oscars tend to be elitist and highbrow, based off of what critics have liked and what movies the studios are pushing. Definitely not defending them on that account, or on the highly political way the awards are given out (like how Russell Crowe's meltdown at the BAFTA's cost him the Oscar for A Beautiful Mind or how Crash beat out Brokeback Mountain after something of a BBM backlash ).

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I probably won't be watching it this year.

Nothing much there to interest me.
This might actually be the first ceremony in years that I watch, in part because I've actually seen a few of the nominated films.
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Old January 22 2009, 10:14 PM   #36
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Best picture
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Frost/Nixon
Milk
The Reader
Slumdog Millionaire
Oh great. Another year that I haven't seen ANY of the Best Picture nominations.
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Old January 22 2009, 11:06 PM   #37
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Best picture
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Frost/Nixon
Milk
The Reader
Slumdog Millionaire
Hmm. I've only seen two of these this year, Frost/Nixon and Slumdog. Time to hit the cineplex.

Yes, the academy does harbor some prejudices toward genre films
And comedies. And prior to creating an animation category, animation. There are exceptions, Lord of the Rings: the Return of the King comes to mind, but dramatic films with a meaty acting role in the center is usually the choice. The Academy, at its heart, is a conservative body in terms of film.

I'm not surprised The Dark Knight didn't get nominated, but it's a great example of why the Oscars are turning into an irrelevant exercise.
The Oscars have long been irrelevant to me. When Mirmax's well documented and controversial Oscar campaign catapulted Shakespeare in Love past a (IMO, and many others) far more deserving Saving Private Ryan, the Oscar proved it's cynicism. An issue or two ago, EW - in an exercise very similar to the one being conducted on these boards - went back to some Academy members and had them re-vote on past Academy Awards to see if the movies stood the test of time. Shakespeare did not.

As I noted, I haven't seen all the films, so I don't know whether The Dark Knight deserves the nod or not; my suspicion is "yes". Crafting a serious sober minded film of that quality while still hitting all the expected comic book genre notes, is not something to be dismissed easily.
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Old January 22 2009, 11:13 PM   #38
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The Best Picture of the year is whatever movie you liked best in 2008. The Academy can go screw.
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Old January 22 2009, 11:19 PM   #39
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And they wonder why no one wants to sit for three hours to see who will win between Pretentious Art House Drama's who no one has seen and Preachy Agenda-Driven crap no one wants to see. And they had the audacity to lie their asses off last year and claim this year they'd try to nominate more "films with broad appeal" this year. Yeah, more appealing if you're a member of the Hollywood Elite.

I mean, Milk is a perfect example. Sean Penn playing a gay, Jewish martyr fighting the establishment in San Francisco co-staring Barbara Streisand's son-in-law? It would be genetically impossible for The Academy not to love this film even before they saw it. Which is why it bombed at the box office. The only way they could love this film even more is if Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins(who I'm a big fan of btw) stared as his Bible-thumping, gay-hating parents. And they say The Academy doesn't nominate porn films.

If they really honest to God wanted to be a real awards show, and not a media event, then none of this would bother me in the slightest. But they want it both ways, and that just ain't gonna fly. And the defenders will claim that they can't just nominate any film that just happens to be popular. Which is a crap argument, because they've pandered to popularity before like with Gladiator, Titanic, Forest Gump, Pulp Fiction, Star Wars, Jaws, The Godfather, Lord of The Rings, and Saving Private Ryan. No, they want to push their issues on people now, and really don't give a damn if they like it or not.

You're damn right The Dark Knight deserved an nomination. Maybe not a win, but a nomination at least. It deserved a nomination more then Gladiator or Titanic did, that's for sure. It's this type of elitist contempt is the reason most Americans really have grown to despise Hollywood and their bullshit.

Ledger getting a nom was a given, although I doubt he would have gotten one if he were alive and had not previously stared as a gay cowboy. He won't win though. It'll go to one of the other whoevers who were in those other films that no one cares about.

The only bright spot here was RDJ. If he wins, he needs to accept it in character and set race relations back 50 years.
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Old January 22 2009, 11:44 PM   #40
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I figured Ledger woudl get a sympathy nom. I'm sure he will win it just so the Academy can feel good about itself as his kid is being presented it. I personally dont think he was all that great in "The Dark Knight". I liked "Batman Begins" better.

I do hope O'Rouke wins. I like the guy because he truly is a great actor. He puts his heart and soul into a role.
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Old January 23 2009, 12:24 AM   #41
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The Dark Knight deserved better. Typically Hollywood. They have a chance to nominate a movie that people actually paid a ton of money to see yet they go with five movies that nobody is going to remember in a year or two.

The Corpse deserved his nomination. The one I was really glad to see though was Robert Downey Jr. He deserved his nomination and I'm amazed the Academy actually decided to recognize a comedic role.
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Old January 23 2009, 12:35 AM   #42
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Maybe this is a stupid queston, but isn't the point of these to award the best film of the last 12 months?
So why every year do all the nominations of the films come from about a 2 month part of the year, with all the films released in said time?

Do the OAPs who obviously vote in these things find it hard to recall back an longer than that?
Something like that although with the advent of things like DVDs of the films being nominated provided to the voters, it is not that bad for films released earlier in the year. But it is still not great.

However, (IMO) many films are specifically made and target the Oscars. For example, for years major Woody Allen films only came out at the very last of the year to qualify for Oscar consideration. This is why you see all the depressingly melodramatic films released around that time as well. I consider movies like 'Cold Mountain' to be merely attempts at Oscar grabs.

I also get tired of genre bias, and I am not just talking about scifi. If the film is not "serious' or unpleasant, it is usually not taken seriously. And just because an independent film gets all artsy and tries to be deep, it does not mean that it is any better than a film like 'Love Guru'.
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Old January 23 2009, 01:24 AM   #43
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However, (IMO) many films are specifically made and target the Oscars. For example, for years major Woody Allen films only came out at the very last of the year to qualify for Oscar consideration. This is why you see all the depressingly melodramatic films released around that time as well. I consider movies like 'Cold Mountain' to be merely attempts at Oscar grabs.
This is my main problem with the Oscars. It's not that the Oscars are too "highbrow". (The Oscars are *supposed* to be highbrow. They're not just supposed to affirm audiences' existing blockbuster preferences.) It's that too much energy is being devoted to churning out pre-packaged Oscar contenders. I'd prefer if we had a wider range of choices among highbrow movies, but the desire to win more Oscars has led to a ridiculous level of box checking among Oscar season movies. In that respect, I agree with Ross Douthat's commentary here:

http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/a...e_oscars_2.php

Studio executives are a risk-averse lot in the best of times and, faced with the cruel Darwinism of the holiday season, they seem to have decided that the best way to hedge their bets is to green-light films within an ever narrower range. How else to explain this house-of-mirrors movie season: two Clint Eastwood movies released within 40 days of each other; a pair of Oscar-caliber Kate Winslet performances playing against each other in the local art house; and not one or two, but five films about the Holocaust and Nazis playing between mid-October and the New Year.
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Old January 23 2009, 01:34 AM   #44
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Typically Hollywood. They have a chance to nominate a movie that people actually paid a ton of money to see yet they go with five movies that nobody is going to remember in a year or two.
If you were voting for best picture, wouldn't you choose the one you thought was best rather than the one that the most audiences liked?

There is bias against genres other than drama, but frankly a lot of blockbusters aren't great and comedy and action are, I think, much more subjective than drama.

I haven't seen The Reader but of the others Slumdog Millionaire was the best (disappointed that The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas and Doubt didn't get nominated).
I also don't really like having a Best Animated Feature category given that only a very few are released each year.
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The Dark Knight deserved better. Typically Hollywood. They have a chance to nominate a movie that people actually paid a ton of money to see yet they go with five movies that nobody is going to remember in a year or two.
I fail to see how this attitude is any better than an attitude of "Why should TDK get an award? It's a low-brow superhero flick that nobody is going to remember in a year or two."

Given that Milk actually led to me trying to actively embrace the gay community in my area instead of sitting on my ass while others worked for my rights, I would have to say I'll likely remember it for the rest of my life.
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