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View Poll Results: Grade "Star Trek: Destiny: Gods of Night"
Excellent 105 69.08%
Above Average 35 23.03%
Average 8 5.26%
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Old January 18 2009, 10:51 PM   #406
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Re: Star Trek: Destiny Book 1: Gods of Night - (SPOILERS)

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Secondly, William, I do understand that was a self-depreciating comment, and for the record, I look forward to reading Losing the Peace even if my issues with Miranda are not dealt with at all. I will say that your comment was made relative to a comment about ‘maybe the authors have a plan’ and my point was that I’m not assuming there is a plan, and that in fact since there are actually authors posting on these boards perhaps they’re looking for this kind of feedback and want to understand why a reader feels they way they do, and what they might be able to do differently to change that reader’s perception. Perhaps this has all been dealt with in your novel and it will be a moot point. Perhaps it hasn’t and some future author will gain some small kernel of insight from here.
Well, I do appreciate your intention to read LTP, and I hope, regardless of how or if these issues are addressed, you enjoy it.
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Old January 19 2009, 12:00 PM   #407
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Teaching is definitely a massively important profession, but he teaches ancient languages that are no longer in use. When you compare that to Kadohata's job as second officer aboard the Enterprise, it doesn't seem particularly crucial.
I definitely don't agree with that assessment. Why should the importance of Vicenzo's job depend on what he teaches? And honestly, I'd even argue that it's because he teaches ancient languages that his job's important... that way ancient languages and cultures, and the diversity of a civilization don't get lost.

Anyway, let's leave it at that. *g*
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Old January 20 2009, 02:05 AM   #408
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^ And, teaching ancient languages and such can be very important not just for historical purposes, but for a greater understanding of modern society and how it evolved. Linguists base a lot of what they can deduce (I'd assume) based on the ancient languages they may be based on.
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Old January 20 2009, 02:34 AM   #409
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Learning Latin has a lot of uses beyond understanding Latin. It can improve your grasp of English by providing insight into the roots of words and their relationships, and the study and memorization required are good training for learning skills that are useful in other walks of life. Presumably the same might go for other ancient languages.
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Old January 20 2009, 03:47 AM   #410
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I don't really have an opinion on this ongoing Kadohata debate; just wanted to pop in and say I finally got around to reading book 1 of this, and oh my GOD was it awesome. Lived up to every expectation I had, especially the Columbia story.
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Old January 20 2009, 04:12 AM   #411
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I just finished reading it and enjoyed it quite a bit. Had some minor issues with it, mostly in Troi's story arc and the use of The Borg yet again, but overall, I found it a fascinating tapestry into Trekdom and look forward to reading the next 2.
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Old January 21 2009, 09:29 PM   #412
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Reading through this book (my pace is much slower than usual because time seems to be slipping away from me at the moment), I can't help but wonder how the DS9 line is going to be handled with all of this. It's got years to catch up on, so how is that to be managed? Will we build up at its typically slow speed, with that series being perpetually behind the others? Will we see the effects of this on the DS9 characters, such as Kira and Vaughn, when they reach 2381?

Either way, I think the DS9 series needs more than two books in 2009.
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Old January 21 2009, 09:55 PM   #413
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Reading through this book (my pace is much slower than usual because time seems to be slipping away from me at the moment), I can't help but wonder how the DS9 line is going to be handled with all of this. It's got years to catch up on, so how is that to be managed? Will we build up at its typically slow speed, with that series being perpetually behind the others? Will we see the effects of this on the DS9 characters, such as Kira and Vaughn, when they reach 2381?

Either way, I think the DS9 series needs more than two books in 2009.
Well, I certainly don't think you'll get much disagreement on that last point around here
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Old January 21 2009, 11:21 PM   #414
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Reading through this book (my pace is much slower than usual because time seems to be slipping away from me at the moment), I can't help but wonder how the DS9 line is going to be handled with all of this. It's got years to catch up on, so how is that to be managed? Will we build up at its typically slow speed, with that series being perpetually behind the others?
Why not? It's not like every Trek novel out there is telling the same story. That TTN, TNG, and VOY are more or less on the same page is just what the editors and authors feel work best for those series. NF and DS9 get to continue on their own, at their own paces, whilst, of course, TOS, ENT, and VAN get to do their thing back in the 23rd and 22nd Centuries.

Will we see the effects of this on the DS9 characters, such as Kira and Vaughn, when they reach 2381?
I would just point out that the Borg's invasion fleet originated in the Beta Quadrant and that most of the damage done was borne there. DS9 and Bajor are literally on the other side of the Federation, so it's possible that the effects of the invasion would be minimized from their POV.

Either way, I think the DS9 series needs more than two books in 2009.
What, Terok Nor doesn't count?
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Old January 21 2009, 11:31 PM   #415
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Either way, I think the DS9 series needs more than two books in 2009.
What, Terok Nor doesn't count?
The Terok Nor books were out in 2008, I think he or she may very well be just referring to The Soul Key and The Never Ending Sacrifice which are out this year (2009) and the only two stories based on or around DS9.
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Old January 22 2009, 12:21 AM   #416
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Why not? It's not like every Trek novel out there is telling the same story. That TTN, TNG, and VOY are more or less on the same page is just what the editors and authors feel work best for those series.
And in fact, they usually aren't "on the same page." Those series (well, at least TNG and TTN) were charting their own independent courses prior to Destiny, and the upcoming VGR novel filling in the gap will tell its own independent story as well. The convergence of series is something that was done once for Destiny and will be done again for a 2010 event, but on the whole, there's no requirement that they run in sync as a matter of course.


Either way, I think the DS9 series needs more than two books in 2009.
What, Terok Nor doesn't count?
Terok Nor came out in 2008, not 2009.
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Old January 22 2009, 05:18 PM   #417
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I know it isn't exactly a story requirement that DS9 be working within the same time frame as the other series, but I'd personally prefer that it was to create a stronger time connection between the mainstream books.
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Old January 23 2009, 10:35 PM   #418
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Finally finished!

An all-around excellent book. I loved the way that the story threads have all been tied together already, and how Dax and her crew were introduced so quickly and effectively. The biggest surprise, though, was how much I enjoyed the Hernandez sections. I wasn't invested in her character at all before I began reading, but now I am completely.
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Old January 23 2009, 10:37 PM   #419
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The biggest surprise, though, was how much I enjoyed the Hernandez sections. I wasn't invested in her character at all before I began reading, but now I am completely.
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Old January 26 2009, 08:36 PM   #420
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Coming back to the topic of DS9 being out of sync (sorry, it's probably a tired subject for discussion), I realised while reading "Mere Mortals" why it bothers me so much. It's because part of the series - namely Dax and Bowers (and, less importantly, Leishman and Tarses) - has moved on without it. We can't view, say, Dax in relation to Kira and Vaughn anymore, because we don't know what's going on with them.

And that seems odd to me.
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