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Old January 12 2009, 02:07 PM   #31
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Re: The Joker - What would you do now?

*****i got it:

do the thing I said before where you've got him in a straightjacket with long hair and his face obscured, thrashing about violently, and they just walk by his padded cell's door.

...then the camera zooms in on his face to reveal that, Hannibal Lecter-style, the Joker has simply carved up another inmate's (or guard's) face and left him a bloody mess in his cell, while the Joker has escaped!

(the guards just assume the Joker hurt himself or something)
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Old January 12 2009, 04:36 PM   #32
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I'd recast him with some horrendous casting choice like Ted McGinley, just to piss off everyone.
Just pushing for that "shark jump" aren't you? Luckily, Batman's utility belt is equipped with a can of aerosol shark repellent. (As shown in the Adam West Batman movie)

If they need the Joker, recast Johnny Depp in the role. Get him away from Tim Burton and show him what a REAL Batman director can do! Seriously though, Depp could pull off the role in a similar take to Ledger's as well as a similar look. Yet I could also see him coming in and making a mark on the role all his own even given all of Ledger's marks he has to follow.
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Old January 12 2009, 05:23 PM   #33
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While I don't think anyone could match Heath's Joker I don't think they have to try to. Simple to do "their" Joker. If Nolan requires the Joker for the story of the Third film then I think it's ok to recast. A camo just wouldn't cut it after his powerful presence in TDK.
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Old January 15 2009, 05:33 AM   #34
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"copycat Jokers"
I was thinking...if they need to bring Joker in the next movie, they can always use Curtis Base from the comics. That way, it's a recast, but not really.
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Old January 15 2009, 06:39 AM   #35
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Well, the very nature of the Joker is that he changes; this was played on in TDK as the Joker came up with a different story for his scar every time he told it. The producers can use this as long as the change isn't completely off the wall. Just give the new Joker actor a different hair cut; different make-up applications; a different build (i.e. lost or gained weight while in Arkham); all of those changes are believable, realistic and can make someone look almost unrecognizable. Just look at the difference on Christian Bale as he lost all of that weight in "Rescue Dawn".
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Old January 15 2009, 06:55 AM   #36
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Just passing references. If they absolutely must recast him, get Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
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Old January 15 2009, 01:26 PM   #37
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"You won't kill me because of some misguided sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun! I think you and I are destined to do this for a long time."

That kind of foreshadowing practically DEMANDS follow-up. I don't see how the Joker can possibly NOT be a major character in the next film.

I say re-cast. The great thing about the Joker is that he's chaos and destruction incarnate; there's no actual need for the next actor to play him the same way that Ledger did, because the character is an inherently chaotic one whose behavior may shift from day to day. (Goodness knows his own accounts of his past do.)
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Old January 15 2009, 02:05 PM   #38
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Have a robot version of the Joker in the next movie.
Voiced by Jack Nicholson.
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Old January 15 2009, 06:45 PM   #39
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"You won't kill me because of some misguided sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun! I think you and I are destined to do this for a long time."

That kind of foreshadowing practically DEMANDS follow-up. I don't see how the Joker can possibly NOT be a major character in the next film.
It's not foreshadowing for more appearances by the Joker it's foreshadowing for the storied history we know that Batman and Joker have in the comics, TV, movies, etc.

It's a "wink at the auidence" about the legendary rivalry between The Joker and Batman not "foreshadowing" for more movies.

We've only a handful of movies in this Batman series and Batman has a pretty big and diverse rouges gallery. I don't think we should be doing repeats.

Leave the Joker gone. Maybe a chuckle in Arkham, a name drop, stuff like that but no story focusing on him again in this movie series.

Nevermind that you're not going to find *anyone* for the next movie to live up to Ledger's performance and whomever you pick is just going to just come across as trying to best/match it but it'll also tarnish Ledger's "legacy" with the character. -Not to mention the corniness of recasting characters in movie franchises.

The Joker story has been done, time to move on to Catwoman, The Penguin, The Riddler, The Mad Hatter, Ivy, Clayfast, Harley Quinn and so many others.
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Old January 15 2009, 06:50 PM   #40
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Bring in Harley Quinn and have her be just as insane.

It's time a Batman film had a complete homicidal female role.

Catwoman is too "gray" of a character to have her be a "big bad"
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Old January 15 2009, 09:43 PM   #41
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I like the cameo idea. That'd work.
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Old January 16 2009, 03:42 AM   #42
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"You won't kill me because of some misguided sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun! I think you and I are destined to do this for a long time."

That kind of foreshadowing practically DEMANDS follow-up. I don't see how the Joker can possibly NOT be a major character in the next film.
It's not foreshadowing for more appearances by the Joker it's foreshadowing for the storied history we know that Batman and Joker have in the comics, TV, movies, etc.

It's a "wink at the auidence" about the legendary rivalry between The Joker and Batman not "foreshadowing" for more movies.

We've only a handful of movies in this Batman series and Batman has a pretty big and diverse rouges gallery. I don't think we should be doing repeats.

Leave the Joker gone. Maybe a chuckle in Arkham, a name drop, stuff like that but no story focusing on him again in this movie series.

Nevermind that you're not going to find *anyone* for the next movie to live up to Ledger's performance and whomever you pick is just going to just come across as trying to best/match it but it'll also tarnish Ledger's "legacy" with the character. -Not to mention the corniness of recasting characters in movie franchises.

The Joker story has been done, time to move on to Catwoman, The Penguin, The Riddler, The Mad Hatter, Ivy, Clayfast, Harley Quinn and so many others.
Completely disagree. I think that it was obviously foreshadowing for future films.

And besides, I don't think that any of the rest of the rogue's gallery is really interesting enough to build a film around.

And, on top of that -- frankly, Joker's story isn't finished. We saw one aspect of one of his attempts to, essentially overthrow society fail, but we haven't seen the Joker's story itself come to a conclusion. His story is ultimately about his relationship with Batman, and that's completely unresolved.

We need more Joker. He's a dangling plot thread otherwise.
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Old January 16 2009, 04:45 AM   #43
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I think that TDK was implying that Joker and Batman would definitely meet again and that he would always be the arch-nemesis. "You and me... I think we're destined to do this forever." If there was a really good role for the Joker to return, i would be for him being recast, since there is already a precidence of recasting with Rachel Dawes.
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I think that TDK was implying that Joker and Batman would definitely meet again and that he would always be the arch-nemesis. "You and me... I think we're destined to do this forever." If there was a really good role for the Joker to return, i would be for him being recast, since there is already a precidence of recasting with Rachel Dawes.
Holmes, though, didn't own the character to such critical acclaim that people spoke out in horror when the character was recast.

Ledger did.
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Old January 16 2009, 05:18 AM   #45
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People always speak out in horror until something turns out to be ok in the end (see Daniel Craig as James Bond). People weren't sure Ledger could compete with Nicholson for the role either. And count me as one who felt Rachel Dawes was perfectly cast in the first movie. Fortunately, the actor who replaced her was similar enough.
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