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Old January 14 2009, 09:27 PM   #121
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

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My source is a discussion on hobbytalk.com, where a poster passed on the answer he'd gotten when he asked someone at Round 2 about it.

On a side note, Round 2 has the absolutely best customer service response I've ever seen, in any industry.
So third-hand information at best. Certainly not a reliable source.
No, FIRST hand source (a person at Round 2).
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Old January 14 2009, 11:33 PM   #122
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

darkwing_duck1 wrote: View Post
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My source is a discussion on hobbytalk.com, where a poster passed on the answer he'd gotten when he asked someone at Round 2 about it.

On a side note, Round 2 has the absolutely best customer service response I've ever seen, in any industry.
So third-hand information at best. Certainly not a reliable source.
No, FIRST hand source (a person at Round 2).
According to CRA, it was a person who heard from someone at Round 2 then posted it on hobbytalk. Second-hand information from that poster, which was then relayed by CRA here making it third-hand.

The information has been passed on and on, so that it's appearance here by CRA is third-hand at best like a game of telephone.

There is no original source, no link to this post and no official statement from Round 2. Posting on a board does not make information legit unless that post comes straight from the source, in this case, an employee at Round 2. That it was posted by someone who happened to ask a question of someone (how do we know if he really did) then the information is hearsay and not a viable source of information.
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Old January 15 2009, 05:45 AM   #123
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Well, in any case, the latest word from Round 2 is that they are interested in the property, in spite of the controversy (maybe even because of it), but Paramount won't sell (more of this idiotic secrecy clampdown they're trying to keep on this thing).
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Old January 16 2009, 02:10 AM   #124
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

What happened to Shaw?
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Old January 16 2009, 05:12 AM   #125
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Must be this "real life" thing I've been hearing people talk about...
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Old January 16 2009, 05:25 AM   #126
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

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What happened to Shaw?
Hypothermia?

I do pretty well in cold conditions (even for someone like me who was born and raised in San Diego), but when we get sustain temperatures below zero (down to -22) I tend to go into hibernation mode.
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Old January 16 2009, 06:33 PM   #127
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What happened to Shaw?
Hypothermia?

I do pretty well in cold conditions (even for someone like me who was born and raised in San Diego), but when we get sustain temperatures below zero (down to -22) I tend to go into hibernation mode.
I know what your feeling
I want to go into that mode my self when we have these temperatures.
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Old January 17 2009, 05:55 PM   #128
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Shaw,

Temperatures have been pretty unusual in California lately...
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Old January 17 2009, 06:21 PM   #129
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Well, it is January...
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Old January 20 2009, 07:01 PM   #130
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

I'm wondering what Shaw was talking about when he was discussing the idea of the ship having "cabins" in the lower rim of the saucer.

Are those like crew-quarters, or something else?
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Old January 20 2009, 09:32 PM   #131
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

A more interesting question is what something else you believe cabins might mean. I've used the term consistently throughout my posts, so I'd be interested in hearing what other meaning you are envisioning when I (or anyone else) refers to cabins.
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Old January 20 2009, 10:44 PM   #132
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Those cabins... are they big enough to be able to stand in them?
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Old January 20 2009, 11:38 PM   #133
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Stand?

A little less than three weeks ago I posted a diagram which included a edge cross section with figures of people (for people who are unwilling or unable to do measurements themselves) to help illustrate the sizes we are talking about.

Those cabins would appear on screen to be identical to the one in the series... this is helped by the fact that the beams in the cabin in the series were significantly lower than what we saw in the corridors or even other rooms.

I'm not a revisionist... if the set plans for something doesn't fit reasonably well in some place, they wouldn't be placed in that area.

I'm not sure why vivid drawings aren't enough to convey these ideas, so being at a loss for other explanations, if I think you are asking something that seems obvious in my previous illustrations I'll assume that you knew the answer already.

One thing that you might do to help save us both some time, take this illustration to Kinko's or some place, have them print out a couple 24x36 versions of it... cut out the actual original set plan elements that I put in it so that you can move those pieces of paper around on the larger sheet to get a feel for what might work (or not work) on the ship at that scale. Of course when printed out at 24x36 you might notice that I have already placed a copy of the cabin plans in that part of deck 6 just so I could get a feel for if it would fit there.

Don't take this suggestion the wrong way... I already did this a long time ago for my own reference.
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Old January 21 2009, 09:54 PM   #134
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Re: If You Could Re-Imagine the Constitution-Class Refit...

Shaw,

How many cabins, and how many people could be placed on the saucer-rim?


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Old January 21 2009, 10:15 PM   #135
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Depends on how comfortable they need to be.

If there's one thing that the Rec Room scene in TMP shows, it's what 430 people look like when bunched up in one place.
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