Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion - Page 18

CorporalClegg · December 26 2008, 06:33 PM

Ceridwen Troy wrote:

Scrooge4747 wrote:

Well, it seems that Maddox came out of hibernation to review this movie:

Quantum of Solace is a Shitpile

Damn, I couldn't disagree with that review more.

No idea who the guy is, but that has to be one of the most uneducated reviews I've ever read in my life. Everything he wrote made him sound like he 12 and totally ill-represented the movie. And I didn't even really like it.

Then that whole thing with the title just made him sound like an ignorant buffoon.

SalvorHardin · December 26 2008, 06:40 PM

Scrooge4747 wrote:

Well, it seems that Maddox came out of hibernation to review this movie:

Quantum of Solace is a Shitpile

Wow!
What asylum did this guy escape from ?

Zeppster · December 26 2008, 07:37 PM

Jax wrote:

Am re-watching QoS and as I thought it makes for a better re-watch value and easier to follow the plot but still could be tighter. So far only real scene that bugs me is the parachute one because he pulls it far too late, a few seconds earlier would of been much more believeable and shows me that Marc Foster is nowhere near the director Campbell is for Bond movies anyway. However saying that I thought Foster did excellent work with the fight scenes especially the last fight scenes in the hotel and the Bond girl (though she didn't shag bond which made a good change) was probably the best and that wasn't easy to do because Vesper was a good character.

I like the Bourne esq fights, Bond needs to change from the older films and I don't buy the people saying it should be like older Bond...CR proved them wrong. I like Bond being more bitter for this movie, he has real excuse but am sure he will be back to a more normal Bond in the next movie.

I agree with all this. I think after it goes on DVD and people start watching it a few times, it gets better after more than one or two views.

trevanian · December 26 2008, 08:23 PM

Much as I disagree with this MADDOX on QOS, I actually like the way he represented his views (and he does have a few valid points, though most of them are a set-up to make him look smart.)

He just doesn't realize that the producers are to fault for this thing, not the director. If they'd avoided hiring a second editor to massacre the action, the whole thing would probably work better than it does (as good as it can, considering the arrow-through-the-head-before-going-into-battle that is casting Daniel Craig as James Bond instead of casting him as 'villain's 2nd henchman' or 'Felix Leiter.')

JacksonArcher · December 27 2008, 06:16 PM

I honestly had no problem with the editing. I know many people have, including my own friend who I saw it with a second time a while back, but for me I have no problem catching everything that is happening between all the quick cuts.

After seeing the film twice now, I can say my opinion hasn't really changed. It holds very well on a second viewing, and while there weren't any new details I could unearth, I was able to absorb the action more and the smaller moments between Bond & M or Bond & Camille.

I still can't pinpoint why exactly people dislike this movie. I saw this for the second time with my friend & his girlfriend; she liked it more than him, and interestingly enough trevanian, my friend raised the same point that you did: If this Bond is suppose to actually care about not killing, then why does he kill every time he's in a fisticuffs?

I think he kills so much in Casino Royale because he feels like he has to, and he kills so much in Quantum of Solace because he's exacting revenge. I think it's an evolution of the character, going from killing out of necessity to killing out of desire. I think both movies make a big deal out of, and for a reason.

Anyway, I'm going to see it today, again, for the third time. I'll likely re-explore some of these topics and points when I see it again, but I watch this, and I think about it, and then I go back to a movie like Live and Let Die, which I saw again recently on TV, and I can't get past a Bond who quips and looks, in all honesty, like a pansy. The Bond I read in Fleming's books was a callous, cold-hearted bastard, and I really think Daniel Craig captures that in his films.

TheImperial · December 28 2008, 07:03 AM

I had to go with above average. It was a good movie but it was a bit of a letdown after Casino Royale.

Trekker4747 · December 28 2008, 11:49 AM

TheImperial wrote:

I had to go with above average. It was a good movie but it was a bit of a letdown after Casino Royale.

That's sort of like saying a nap isn't as good as a long-night's sleep.

trevanian · December 28 2008, 07:00 PM

Scrooge4747 wrote:

TheImperial wrote:

I had to go with above average. It was a good movie but it was a bit of a letdown after Casino Royale.

That's sort of like saying a nap isn't as good as a long-night's sleep.

Well, CR definitely induced sleep.

Trekker4747 · December 28 2008, 08:33 PM

trevanian wrote:

Scrooge4747 wrote:

TheImperial wrote:

I had to go with above average. It was a good movie but it was a bit of a letdown after Casino Royale.

That's sort of like saying a nap isn't as good as a long-night's sleep.

Well, CR definitely induced sleep.

"The titular casino face-off is coming... soon!"
- Mike Nelson on the Casino Royale Rifftrax.

trevanian · December 28 2008, 10:16 PM

Scrooge4747 wrote:

trevanian wrote:

Scrooge4747 wrote:

That's sort of like saying a nap isn't as good as a long-night's sleep.

Well, CR definitely induced sleep.

"The titular casino face-off is coming... soon!"
- Mike Nelson on the Casino Royale Rifftrax.

I probably oughta listen to that ... then again, they should have hired me to do one for them.

JacksonArcher · December 29 2008, 01:11 AM

I'm one of the few that found the second half of Casino Royale as thrilling as the first -- if not more so. Just because there wasn't any quick cuts, action sequences or foot chases doesn't make a well-played card game less entertaining. The eye contact between Bond and LeChiffre was magnetic, and I was glued to the screen to see what happened next. Bond facing off assassins and getting poisoned only added to the mix.

Broccoli · December 29 2008, 02:56 AM

JacksonArcher wrote:

I'm one of the few that found the second half of Casino Royale as thrilling as the first -- if not more so. Just because there wasn't any quick cuts, action sequences or foot chases doesn't make a well-played card game less entertaining. The eye contact between Bond and LeChiffre was magnetic, and I was glued to the screen to see what happened next. Bond facing off assassins and getting poisoned only added to the mix.

Agreed. Although, the rifftrax was pretty funny. Can't wait to see if they do QoS. Now that should be good.

John Picard · December 31 2008, 03:28 AM

I just saw it today with my son. I voted Above Average but should have voted Excellent. The car chase at the beginning kicked total ass as did Bond's quick wit and brute resistance toward his enemies.

As of this movie, I have now put Daniel Craig as THE BEST BOND, with Sean Connery dropping to #2. I cannot wait for the next Bond film. I would love to see Craig playing Bond for at least 6 or even 7 films.

DarthPipes · December 31 2008, 05:30 PM

You know, I read the Casino Royale book over the holidays. Daniel Craig's Bond is definitely similiar to Book Bond. However, I found it to be a case where I enjoyed the movie better than the book. More exciting and fleshed out the Vesper character more. But considering the movie was adaptated fifty years later, they stayed true to much of the overall story.

That being said, Quatum of Solace still sucked balls. The new kind of Bond film doesn't have to be boring and joyless.

Ensign_Redshirt · December 31 2008, 06:47 PM

Trekker4747 wrote:

Well, it seems that Maddox came out of hibernation to review this movie:

Quantum of Solace is a Shitpile

Everything about this movie pissed me off, save for the lesbian finger bang scene. Except even that sucked because it wasn't in the movie.

Huh, wtf?

And this was the point where I stopped reading this review.

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December 26 2008, 08:23 PM	#259
trevanian Rear Admiral	Re: Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion Much as I disagree with this MADDOX on QOS, I actually like the way he represented his views (and he does have a few valid points, though most of them are a set-up to make him look smart.) He just doesn't realize that the producers are to fault for this thing, not the director. If they'd avoided hiring a second editor to massacre the action, the whole thing would probably work better than it does (as good as it can, considering the arrow-through-the-head-before-going-into-battle that is casting Daniel Craig as James Bond instead of casting him as 'villain's 2nd henchman' or 'Felix Leiter.')

December 27 2008, 06:16 PM	#260
JacksonArcher Vice Admiral	Re: Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion I honestly had no problem with the editing. I know many people have, including my own friend who I saw it with a second time a while back, but for me I have no problem catching everything that is happening between all the quick cuts. After seeing the film twice now, I can say my opinion hasn't really changed. It holds very well on a second viewing, and while there weren't any new details I could unearth, I was able to absorb the action more and the smaller moments between Bond & M or Bond & Camille. I still can't pinpoint why exactly people dislike this movie. I saw this for the second time with my friend & his girlfriend; she liked it more than him, and interestingly enough trevanian, my friend raised the same point that you did: If this Bond is suppose to actually care about not killing, then why does he kill every time he's in a fisticuffs? I think he kills so much in Casino Royale because he feels like he has to, and he kills so much in Quantum of Solace because he's exacting revenge. I think it's an evolution of the character, going from killing out of necessity to killing out of desire. I think both movies make a big deal out of, and for a reason. Anyway, I'm going to see it today, again, for the third time. I'll likely re-explore some of these topics and points when I see it again, but I watch this, and I think about it, and then I go back to a movie like Live and Let Die, which I saw again recently on TV, and I can't get past a Bond who quips and looks, in all honesty, like a pansy. The Bond I read in Fleming's books was a callous, cold-hearted bastard, and I really think Daniel Craig captures that in his films. __________________ Bane: "When Gotham is ashes... you have my permission to die." - The Dark Knight Rises

December 28 2008, 07:03 AM	#261
TheImperial Ensign	Re: Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion I had to go with above average. It was a good movie but it was a bit of a letdown after Casino Royale.

December 29 2008, 01:11 AM	#266
JacksonArcher Vice Admiral	Re: Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion I'm one of the few that found the second half of Casino Royale as thrilling as the first -- if not more so. Just because there wasn't any quick cuts, action sequences or foot chases doesn't make a well-played card game less entertaining. The eye contact between Bond and LeChiffre was magnetic, and I was glued to the screen to see what happened next. Bond facing off assassins and getting poisoned only added to the mix. __________________ Bane: "When Gotham is ashes... you have my permission to die." - The Dark Knight Rises

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December 31 2008, 03:28 AM	#268
John Picard Vice Admiral Location: Waiting for Dorian Thompson to invite me to lunch	Re: Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion I just saw it today with my son. I voted Above Average but should have voted Excellent. The car chase at the beginning kicked total ass as did Bond's quick wit and brute resistance toward his enemies. As of this movie, I have now put Daniel Craig as THE BEST BOND, with Sean Connery dropping to #2. I cannot wait for the next Bond film. I would love to see Craig playing Bond for at least 6 or even 7 films. __________________ Don't like my posts? Fill out a report. Psssstttt - Dorian, my location.

December 31 2008, 05:30 PM	#269
DarthPipes Rear Admiral	Re: Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion You know, I read the Casino Royale book over the holidays. Daniel Craig's Bond is definitely similiar to Book Bond. However, I found it to be a case where I enjoyed the movie better than the book. More exciting and fleshed out the Vesper character more. But considering the movie was adaptated fifty years later, they stayed true to much of the overall story. That being said, Quatum of Solace still sucked balls. The new kind of Bond film doesn't have to be boring and joyless.