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View Poll Results: Do you love or hate the Ferengi episodes, overall?
I love the Ferengi episodes, overall. 65 69.15%
I hate the Ferengi episodes, overall. 29 30.85%
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Old August 25 2008, 11:37 AM   #46
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Re: Do you love or hate the Ferengi episodes, overall?

^
Quark is a great character, I totally agree. I think it's easy to forget how important he was as a supporting character in episodes such as "In the Pale Moonlight" or "The Siege of AR-558". He's very observant and offers a great 'outside' view of the Federation and Starfleet that we never really got in Star Trek outside of DS9 IMHO.
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Old October 25 2008, 03:10 AM   #47
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Re: Do you love or hate the Ferengi episodes, overall?

Really like the Ferengi (stereotypes aside) and a lot of the episodes. Shimmerman as Quark is priceless, hilarious and surprising. Loved TMF, LGM etc. Not so sure about Zek... that guy is a little weird... and Gaila... :S
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Old November 4 2008, 01:09 AM   #48
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I hate Ferengi episodes full stop, How Ferengi survived thus far, is beyond me,
perhaps buying their way out
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Old November 4 2008, 03:09 AM   #49
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^ ...even the humour? What about Quark in Captive Pursuits? Or the Maquis part 2?
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Old November 5 2008, 10:11 AM   #50
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Re: Do you love or hate the Ferengi episodes, overall?

Quark was a much more interesting character when all the Ferengi weren't around. He became a bit of a charicature whenever the family and co. were in town.

When I watched the show first run, I liked the episodes generally. Having rewatched the series a couple of times though, I find about half of the Ferengi episodes tolerable, whilst the other half range from average to bottom-of-the-barrel. Emperor's New Cloak, Profit and Lace, Prophet Motive, Ferengi Love Songs, Family Business, Rules of Aquisition can all go away.

Business as Usual, Body Parts, Little Green Men and The Magnificent Ferengi are the best ones, IMO.
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Old November 6 2008, 01:56 AM   #51
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^I pretty much agree with your comments about good and bad Ferengi episodes.

'Little Green Men' and 'Magnificent Ferengi' are fabulous outings, and some of my fave DS9 eps.

'Profit and Lace' is of course, terrible. 'Emperor's New Cloak' I disliked, because it was simply stupid (Why is there a human Vic Fontaine in the mirror universe? Why do they act like they've never heard of cloaking devices before, when we clearly saw Alliance cruisers using cloaks in previous Mirror episodes?)
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Old November 6 2008, 03:14 AM   #52
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'Emperor's New Cloak' I disliked, because it was simply stupid (Why is there a human Vic Fontaine in the mirror universe?
Holy cow I never noticed... thats so weird!!
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Old November 6 2008, 09:19 PM   #53
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Remeber, only Ferengi episodes give us Brunt, FCA!

That alone should be enough to push most sane folks answer into "love them!" territory.
Second that, Brunt rocks.
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Old November 6 2008, 10:59 PM   #54
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There really isn't a single thing I can say bad about the Ferengi. They are hands down my favorite alien race. They also make for some great reads. Caveat Emptor was a good short read. The 34th rule was excellent. And Quark was always fun to watch.
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Old November 9 2008, 12:23 AM   #55
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Re: Do you love or hate the Ferengi episodes, overall?

I'm gonna be in the minority here, and say that IMO, DS9 did more damage to the Ferengi race tha any bad episode of TNG could ever have.

TNG gave us the Ferengi, and at first, yes, they were awkward, comedic, and not taken seriously. However, when season 3 of TNG came around, thank god that began to change... the Ferengi finally felt right... the episode with the Barzan Wormhole gave us duplicitous Ferengi that were much more serious and believable. THAT was how the Ferengi should have remained.

But DS9 totally killed any semblance of integrity to the Ferengi. The Nagus was a joke, Moogie was a joke, and they took the Ferengi need for profit to ludicrously silly levels... the "Divine Treasury"? C'mon...

The writers of DS9 had one thing in mind only... to use the Ferengi to make us laugh. Not only did it fail... it grew horribly tired and old.

There WERE a few good war episodes with Nog, this is true... and I DO give them kudos for at least trying to handle Nog in a decent manner... but Rom, Quark, and Brunt always seemed like the typical funny alien material, and I hated it.
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Old November 10 2008, 03:00 AM   #56
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Re: Do you love or hate the Ferengi episodes, overall?

The Ferengi have a place in any start trek episode, but only in the B-plot, not the A-plot. Overall, the Ferengi episodes dragged DS9 down. Way down.
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Old December 23 2008, 03:24 AM   #57
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There are times personally when I preferred the Ferengi B-plot and wished it'd been the A plot... or the only plot. Such as Meridian.

And I liked Ferengi eps like Magnificent Ferengi and that one where they go to Roswell so much! So funny!

Not as big of a fan of the writing for the Grand Nagus, or of Gaila in general. But I think what Ishka was doing was brave and vital. And, since the Ferengi weren't like they are in the past- I'm not complaining if the shed their greed and oppression of women.
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Old December 23 2008, 08:55 AM   #58
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I didn't like the Ferengi until DS9 and Quark.
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Old December 23 2008, 10:28 AM   #59
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Re: Do you love or hate the Ferengi episodes, overall?

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I see a lot of hate for DS9's Ferengi episodes. I too hate Profit and Lace. I don't really like Moogie as she can be extremely annoying. However, I love Quark, Rom, and Nog. So overall, I have to say that Ferengi episodes of DS9 are awesome because they showcase the magnificent characters/acting of Quark, Rom, and Nog.

A lot of fans seem to dismiss DS9's Ferengi episodes as "filler", but I think that's incorrect. They are not filler. Rather, they are doing a great job of fleshing-out Quark, Rom and Nog as deep & compelling characters.

I'm putting a Poll up so I can get a sense of what percentage of DS9 fans love and hate the Ferengi episodes, overall. Just vote for your overall feeling about the Ferengi episodes; Ie: it doesn't mean you have to love every Ferengi episode if you vote for that you love them, and vice versa.

Before DS9, I hated the Ferengi, after DS9, I loved them! (but they still shouldn't have been on Enterprise)
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Old December 23 2008, 03:55 PM   #60
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I thought they were great, in general. Some of the humor was terrific, and it was nice seeing a different culture.

Besides a few of them had me laughing ridiculously hard.
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