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View Poll Results: Grade "Strange Things Happen at the One Two Point"
I'll be back. (Excellent) 15 33.33%
Come with me if you want to live. (Above Average) 24 53.33%
Thank you for explaining. (Average) 6 13.33%
Hasta la vista, Baby. (Below Average) 0 0%
You are TERMINATED. (Failure) 0 0%
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Old November 30 2008, 10:41 PM   #106
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Re: Terminator-210 "Strange Things Happen at the One Two Point" - D/G-

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I am surprised that has not happened in a comic book, or has it
It has. The Humans won (if not for Ripley's intervention then the Terminators would have won).
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Old December 1 2008, 06:29 AM   #107
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I am surprised that has not happened in a comic book, or has it
It has. The Humans won (if not for Ripley's intervention then the Terminators would have won).
Interesting, have not seen or read the comics
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Old December 1 2008, 07:08 AM   #108
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I am surprised that has not happened in a comic book, or has it
It has. The Humans won (if not for Ripley's intervention then the Terminators would have won).
Interesting, have not seen or read the comics
It was a very limited release. Actually I had to order mine from eBay.
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Old December 2 2008, 05:57 AM   #109
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I mean, John Henry should learn the ten commandments? Give me a break.
They're a pretty decent moral framework, so I don't see that as religious nuttery. Not all of them are entirely applicable to an AI, but still......

I suppose the Three Laws provide the same basic framework, although there are probably legal issues with using those.
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Old December 2 2008, 06:20 AM   #110
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I mean, John Henry should learn the ten commandments? Give me a break.
They're a pretty decent moral framework, so I don't see that as religious nuttery. Not all of them are entirely applicable to an AI, but still......
Most of them aren't applicable, which is why I find the concept ridiculous, and it's the kind of thing a nut would say. Just because someone is immoral should you beat them over the head with a Bible? Being religious and preaching the Bible in such a fashion just rubs me the wrong way.

Imagine if I caught you stealing something from a store. Wouldn't it sound dumb if I said, "Thou shalt not steal!!!"? It's just preachy and arrogant.
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Old December 2 2008, 06:51 AM   #111
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I mean, John Henry should learn the ten commandments? Give me a break.
They're a pretty decent moral framework, so I don't see that as religious nuttery. Not all of them are entirely applicable to an AI, but still......
Most of them aren't applicable, which is why I find the concept ridiculous, and it's the kind of thing a nut would say. Just because someone is immoral should you beat them over the head with a Bible? Being religious and preaching the Bible in such a fashion just rubs me the wrong way.
The problem is that John Henry is amoral; I agree that the Commandments are a good starting point for morality, irrespective of the exact phrasing.
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Old December 2 2008, 07:49 AM   #112
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The problem is that John Henry is amoral; I agree that the Commandments are a good starting point for morality, irrespective of the exact phrasing.
True, he is amoral, but I was just making an analogy to an immoral human and essentially how a Bible thumper solves a problem.

I think the Golden Rule (or a variant of it) is better than the ten commandments. It's more logical, more concise, and more applicable. It sums up what's good about the ten commandments in one easy rule. Unless verbosity and length is the goal, then why not the Ma'at?
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Old December 2 2008, 08:34 AM   #113
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Well, naming something that fewer audience members have even heard of would not have the same effect. In this case I think the connotation of the line is more important than the specifics. And Ellison has been established as having read the Bible, so that particular reference fits his character well.
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