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Old December 1 2008, 02:23 AM   #196
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Re: Star Trek: Destiny: Lost Souls - Discuss/Grade

I've been away from the BBS for a while, but I just wanted to say to David that the Destiny trilogy was amazing! It was difficult to put any of the books down, and now that I'm finished, I might just start over again.

I loved all of the nods to other Trek lit series (Klag, Gomez, the Excalibur, ect). I know that we'll probably get a fuller account of Voyager's part in Destiny in Full Circle, but I would also love to see fuller accounts of The Excalibur, the da Vinci and the Gorkon's battles.

David, thanks for including Starfleet Academy's Pava so prominently. You had me scared a couple of times, you sure didn't give her an easy time, but am just glad to have had a favorite character included in such an epic story and survive, albiet in critical condition.

I am saddened at the losses of Owen Paris, Charivretha, Tuvok's son, and even T'Lana, but in an event such as this, it is only reasonable that some names that we know be among those lost. An event of this scope would effect everybody and have long-standing reprecussions. I can't wait to find out what they are!
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Old December 1 2008, 02:23 AM   #197
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Den?

Yes but I cannot see him holding on Worf or La Forge - both would end up with their own postings or ships - with 40% losses, experienced officers would be like gold.
Den is the new senior counselor.

Maybe, maybe not. Worf has the whole "rescued his wife rather than save a Cardassian defector" problem, and Geordi is an engineer, not a command officer.
I doubt it would matter - half the fleet is gone - in such a crisis situation I would guess it would be

Admiral: Congratulations Captain La Forge, you are now in charge of the SCE ship USS bag of spanners

La Forge: But I'm not a command officer!

Admiral: You are now, good luck.

(and Geordi's original training was command right? he was a red shirt?)
Well one possible future did end up with La Forge commanding the Challenger, so it's not much of a stretch for them to push him into a command.

As for Worf, I tend to agree with the "Worf screwed the pooch" camp. If he goes past his current posting, it'll be planet or base side.
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Old December 1 2008, 02:56 AM   #198
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Re: Star Trek: Destiny: Lost Souls - Discuss/Grade

Something just occurred to me:

Life for a Coridanite must suck. First, their world is caught in a civil war between a puppet government of the Vulcans and an Andorian-supported insurgency.

Then, it becomes the victim of a planetary disaster when the Romulans fly a shuttle at warp speeds into Coridan in 2155.

Then it doesn't get to become a Federation Member State until 2266, and almost causes a Federation civil war over it.

And how it's either severely damaged or actively sterilized by the Borg in 2381.

Man, that whole being on contact with other species and being a part of the United Federation of Planets thing just did not work out for those poor guys!
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Old December 1 2008, 03:18 AM   #199
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We know from Book I that all life on Ramatis was exterminated, as was all life on Deneva. Given Bacco's inclusion of them in the first list, I would presume that this means that all life was exterminated in Coridan, Risa, Regulus, and Korvat as well. Presumably, this means that the Coridanite, Risian, and Ramatian species are now critically endangered if not functionally extinct (in spite of their world's Federation membership). No clue whether or not surviving members of those species be repatriated into other Federation Member States or if they'll somehow retain their own Member State status if they resettle. (Will the Federation go from 155 Member States to 149?)

We know from page 416 of Book III that 77 million Klingons died on Qo'noS, so we can probably presume similar death rates for Vulcan, Andor, and Tellar -- probably roughly 60 to 80 million deaths. I would imagine the same to be true of Yridia, Nausicaa, and Barolia.

Did I miss anything?
Acamar and Barolia were both completely annihilated in the first strike, as seen in the epilogue of Greater Than the Sum.


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Den is the new senior counselor.
No, Hegol is the new senior counselor. Hegol Den is Bajoran, so he's addressed as Counselor Hegol.
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Old December 1 2008, 03:31 AM   #200
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Re: Star Trek: Destiny: Lost Souls - Discuss/Grade

To be fair to Worf, I do think that in light of the 40% loss of the fleet, his experience as ambassador to Quo'nos, and almost-certain glowing recommendations from Picard, Sisko, and Martok, the Admiralty would overlook that black mark.
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Old December 1 2008, 03:34 AM   #201
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So when is this going to be made into a movie? Freekn' awesome D Mack!! Nice I tell ya!!
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Old December 1 2008, 03:42 AM   #202
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Regarding the 40% figure, am I correct in assuming that "40% of Starfleet" meant 40% of the fleet itself, rather than 40% of active duty Starfleet personnel? We've been told several times in the literature that only a small percentage of officers and enlisteds actually serve on starships, and a great deal of those stationed on planets and starbases would pursue starship duty if it became an option for them. It would seem that, if starfleet lost 40% of its ships, the personnel crisis wouldn't so much be in filling starship roles as the fleet was rebuilt, it would be in filling groundside assignments that would be created by people taking career fast-track assignments on starships.

Huh. Starfleet personnel issues. I officially think about this waaaaaay too much.
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Old December 1 2008, 05:36 AM   #203
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We know from Book I that all life on Ramatis was exterminated, as was all life on Deneva. Given Bacco's inclusion of them in the first list, I would presume that this means that all life was exterminated in Coridan, Risa, Regulus, and Korvat as well. Presumably, this means that the Coridanite, Risian, and Ramatian species are now critically endangered if not functionally extinct (in spite of their world's Federation membership). No clue whether or not surviving members of those species be repatriated into other Federation Member States or if they'll somehow retain their own Member State status if they resettle. (Will the Federation go from 155 Member States to 149?)

We know from page 416 of Book III that 77 million Klingons died on Qo'noS, so we can probably presume similar death rates for Vulcan, Andor, and Tellar -- probably roughly 60 to 80 million deaths. I would imagine the same to be true of Yridia, Nausicaa, and Barolia.

Did I miss anything?
Acamar and Barolia were both completely annihilated in the first strike, as seen in the epilogue of Greater Than the Sum.
Different worlds seem to have been subjected to different levels of devastation. Ramatis III's surface was visibly glowing by the time that Enterprise got there; Deneva, although ash-shrouded, was safe enough for people to visit the surface safely enough.

Worlds of Deep Space Nine had Andor's population sitting at about eighty million people, so I only hope that it has suffered significantly fewer dead!
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Old December 1 2008, 06:08 AM   #204
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We know from Book I that all life on Ramatis was exterminated, as was all life on Deneva. Given Bacco's inclusion of them in the first list, I would presume that this means that all life was exterminated in Coridan, Risa, Regulus, and Korvat as well. Presumably, this means that the Coridanite, Risian, and Ramatian species are now critically endangered if not functionally extinct (in spite of their world's Federation membership). No clue whether or not surviving members of those species be repatriated into other Federation Member States or if they'll somehow retain their own Member State status if they resettle. (Will the Federation go from 155 Member States to 149?)

We know from page 416 of Book III that 77 million Klingons died on Qo'noS, so we can probably presume similar death rates for Vulcan, Andor, and Tellar -- probably roughly 60 to 80 million deaths. I would imagine the same to be true of Yridia, Nausicaa, and Barolia.

Did I miss anything?
Acamar and Barolia were both completely annihilated in the first strike, as seen in the epilogue of Greater Than the Sum.
Different worlds seem to have been subjected to different levels of devastation. Ramatis III's surface was visibly glowing by the time that Enterprise got there; Deneva, although ash-shrouded, was safe enough for people to visit the surface safely enough.

Worlds of Deep Space Nine had Andor's population sitting at about eighty million people, so I only hope that it has suffered significantly fewer dead!
Oh snap!

Of course, Andor's lower population might well have made it harder for the Borg to exterminate the lot of 'em...
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Old December 1 2008, 07:25 AM   #205
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^ OT: Were Andor's reproduction problems every solved?
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Old December 1 2008, 07:55 AM   #206
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^ OT: Were Andor's reproduction problems every solved?
Articles of the Federation seemed to indicate that it remained an ongoing problem, though it also seemed to imply that the Andorians weren't on the verge of extinction, either.
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Old December 1 2008, 11:57 AM   #207
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Oh snap!

Of course, Andor's lower population might well have made it harder for the Borg to exterminate the lot of 'em...

It depends. If the Borg had mainly hit areas with big cities, the consequences for the Andorians could be very serious indeed.
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Old December 1 2008, 01:16 PM   #208
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To be fair to Worf, I do think that in light of the 40% loss of the fleet, his experience as ambassador to Quo'nos, and almost-certain glowing recommendations from Picard, Sisko, and Martok, the Admiralty would overlook that black mark.
I would have to agree. There must be captians out there that have had black marks on there record and still made captain.
Worf's record since that little black mark has been good.
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Old December 1 2008, 08:47 PM   #209
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Anyone else noting the glaring error in this volume? The Stygian error?

In the first two books, Mack uses the word Stygian twice in each one. In the third one? That's right, he only uses it once!
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Old December 1 2008, 09:04 PM   #210
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Anyone else noting the glaring error in this volume? The Stygian error?

In the first two books, Mack uses the word Stygian twice in each one. In the third one? That's right, he only uses it once!
Definitely a black mark against the book. A very, very black mark. A mark so black that one wishes there were a single word that could adequately describe just how very dark and black it is...
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