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View Poll Results: Grade "Star Trek: Destiny: Gods of Night"
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Old November 15 2008, 10:43 PM   #331
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Re: Star Trek: Destiny: Gods of Night - SPOILER Thread

I'm really enjoying Gods of Night so far. Though I do have one issue with it:

Every single time I see the Borg declare, "You will be exterminated," I can't help but imagine the Daleks saying it. "YOU-WILL-BE-EX-TER-MI-NA-TED!"
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Old November 15 2008, 11:39 PM   #332
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Re: Star Trek: Destiny: Gods of Night - SPOILER Thread

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Well, since I said I'd like to see more of your work (like, five years ago?), and have yet to be offered a Trek novel of yours to purchase, I'm probably not referring to your talent
And how does that make your comment any less insulting to all the other authors on this board?
What if it is?
I guess Bill is a bit irritated, because GHS explicitly said that s/he doesn't want to badmouth other writers, and in the very next sentence more or less does so.

But I guess the first part has as much meaning as "with all due respect".
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Old November 15 2008, 11:59 PM   #333
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What's more, I don't think Allyn's "Federation ban" explanation would have worked dramatically - the reader would just be constantly wiating for Dr. Ree to ignore the stupid rule in the sake of saving Troi. In retrospect, maybe David didn't make it "techobabbly" enough, since why she can't carry the fetus to term isn't the point.
I suppose that Star Trek conditions us to expect our characters to violate rules and regulations willy-nilly, because they're the heroes butting heads with a hidebound bureaucracy. We see them do this repeatedly, they get their wrists slapped, and the next week, the incident is forgotten.

Despite all the medical technobabble I threw out pages and pages ago about mitochrondria and intestinal DNA, the fetus Deanna Troi is carrying in Gods of Night is not viable. The idea I tossed out -- that a ovum could be built from scratch using DNA from two sources, one that's not Deanna's -- is a workable future solution. Even if Ree suggested my idea -- and there are sound medical ethics reasons why he cannot -- it's not a solution to save the fetus. And Deanna, unless she's hellbent on a suicidal course of action, will have to abort the fetus.

We could debate the ethics of the Federation's ban on genetic engineering until we're blue in the face. The fact remains, there is a ban in place, as we know from Julian Bashir. (And as we've seen in the literature, there are others, like Elizabeth Lense, who have gotten caught up in the effects of that ban.)

Ree would have to violate his oaths as a medical doctor to even suggest that path of genetically rebuilding an ovum. He would be putting his career in jeopardy. And worse, by putting his career in jeopardy, he's putting the health and safety of the crew of the Titan at risk. Spock said it best -- "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Yes, a word or two from Ree could have given Riker and Troi hope. But it would also have set them -- and him -- down a path they don't want to go. It would endanger their careers and their liberties. There is a reason for rules. And there is a reason to follow them.
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Old November 16 2008, 01:37 PM   #334
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I have a question: I know that there is a ban on genetic engineering that involves enhancing a sentient being. But would it also be illegal if, for example, Dr Bashir`s treatment would have turned him into a man with a high but not abnormal high intelligence and a body with no physical enhancements?

I understand the law against genetic enhancements but not if it is also against repairing genetic damage.
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Old November 16 2008, 03:53 PM   #335
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I think UFP law allows for genetic treatment to correct life-threatening or crippling defects. So the kind of treatment that's been discussed above about using genetic therapy to correct the damage to Deanna's gametes would not be illegal. The reason Bashir's treatment was illegal was because his natural condition wasn't a threat to his survival or something insurmountably crippling; he was just somewhat limited in his intelligence and coordination.
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Old November 16 2008, 03:58 PM   #336
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So if that stuff is legal, then why was Geordi left blind?
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Old November 16 2008, 04:31 PM   #337
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So if that stuff is legal, then why was Geordi left blind?
I always assumed that they just literally could not fix it.
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Old November 16 2008, 08:53 PM   #338
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I think UFP law allows for genetic treatment to correct life-threatening or crippling defects. So the kind of treatment that's been discussed above about using genetic therapy to correct the damage to Deanna's gametes would not be illegal. The reason Bashir's treatment was illegal was because his natural condition wasn't a threat to his survival or something insurmountably crippling; he was just somewhat limited in his intelligence and coordination.
Thank you. That is my understanding as well.
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Old November 22 2008, 09:02 PM   #339
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Actually, I prefer "Cleaning up Mack's Mess," as alliteration is awesome....
It does make for awesome alliteration but, unfortunately, a terrible acronym. Especially when placed in the context "Cleaning up Mack's Mess."


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One question - who came up with the look for the Caeliar? They are an interesting species and full of potential. I'd love to show you some sketches I've made from reading your descriptions of them.
I was actually inspired by some alien concept sketches done by a well-known artist, but I don't want to say which artist or which sketches.
Hmmmn, biomechanoid species known for having pronounced tubing and deadened expressions, H.R. Giger maybe?

(P.S. Apologies for that terrible joke above)
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Old November 22 2008, 09:35 PM   #340
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Actually, I prefer "Cleaning up Mack's Mess," as alliteration is awesome....
It does make for awesome alliteration but, [...]
And the winner of the Sophia Petrillo Award for Thoughts That Should Not Be Expressed Out Loud...
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Old November 22 2008, 10:25 PM   #341
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Hmmmn, biomechanoid species known for having pronounced tubing and deadened expressions, H.R. Giger maybe?
Nope.
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Old November 23 2008, 12:24 AM   #342
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Actually, I prefer "Cleaning up Mack's Mess," as alliteration is awesome....
It does make for awesome alliteration but, [...]
And the winner of the Sophia Petrillo Award for Thoughts That Should Not Be Expressed Out Loud...
Just don't send me back to Shady Pines...
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Old November 28 2008, 04:41 PM   #343
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Re: Star Trek: Destiny: Gods of Night - SPOILER Thread

I finished this book this morning and liked it. i gave it an Above Average but that is only because it is book one out of three. Like two-parters on tv I find it hard to review them until I've seen the entire piece of work.

I did enjoy the book and if the other two stay at this level or even improve it will be a great trilogy.

The one part of the book that had the strongest impact on me was the 'dark' Picard. He was so different from the Picard of the tv show, that it was he alone who for me summed up the threat the Federation faced.
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Old November 28 2008, 09:52 PM   #344
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finished this this morning before going to work. it's EXCELLENT. and ho-lee shit, Mack's bodycount has gone stratospheric.

LOVED the call-out to New Frontier/Excalibur and the attack on Khitomer scene. and the nan bacco scene was brilliant.

and Foyle's a big stnker.

not having read the whole thread, excuse me if this is asked previously, but i take it the other city crashed and everone died?
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Old November 28 2008, 10:08 PM   #345
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not having read the whole thread, excuse me if this is asked previously, but i take it the other city crashed and everone died?
I don't want to answer your question. Suffice it to say, all will be revealed .
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