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Old November 17 2008, 06:04 AM   #106
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Re: HEROES 3x08 "Villains" Discuss and Grade

HOWEVER, some questions, like Papa Petrelli's ultimate goal SHOULD be answered, because it simply raises the stakes of the story for the characters. It raises the stakes for the audience.
Yeah, what the hell is Mr. One Dimensional's ultimate goal?
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Old November 17 2008, 07:41 AM   #107
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Elle had issues with Sylar even during the second season. It's very possible that what she did with Noah is what pushed her over to Full Blown Crazy herself; her inability to handle her part in the creation of a serial killer. All the repressed punish-other-gifted-people anger came to the surface as a result along with her daddy issues (especially since he, in all likelihood, is the one who assigned her to Noah).

Noah was also very familiar with her in the second season, so having her as one of his partners makes sense as well.
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Old November 17 2008, 03:15 PM   #108
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HOWEVER, some questions, like Papa Petrelli's ultimate goal SHOULD be answered, because it simply raises the stakes of the story for the characters. It raises the stakes for the audience.
Yeah, what the hell is Mr. One Dimensional's ultimate goal?
A second dimension?
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Old November 17 2008, 03:20 PM   #109
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Honestly, they give us a well thought out, intelligent show, and there's hosts of people crying and moaning because they're being asked to break the ultimate commandment of television: Thou shalt not use your brain.

OK, so Heroes isn't going to hold your hand and spoon feed you through each episode. They have 3 dimensional characters who act like humans. Why are you not a killer? Because you've never been in a situation where it became life or death, future or no future, and your only option you seemed able to take was to kill. A big part of crime and acting "bad" is just that life was bluffing, and you just lost your hand, it's not all about evil plotting and laughing.
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Old November 17 2008, 05:14 PM   #110
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Honestly, they give us a well thought out, intelligent show, and there's hosts of people crying and moaning because they're being asked to break the ultimate commandment of television: Thou shalt not use your brain.
If I actually thought that it was "well thought out" or "intelligent," you might have a point.

OK, so Heroes isn't going to hold your hand and spoon feed you through each episode. They have 3 dimensional characters who act like humans. Why are you not a killer? Because you've never been in a situation where it became life or death, future or no future, and your only option you seemed able to take was to kill. A big part of crime and acting "bad" is just that life was bluffing, and you just lost your hand, it's not all about evil plotting and laughing.
They used to have 3-dimensional characters, but after season 1 most of the characters have become pretty flat and their personalities are randomly determined by what's convenient for the plot.
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Old November 21 2008, 01:24 AM   #111
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there's hosts of people crying and moaning because they're being asked to break the ultimate commandment of television: Thou shalt not use your brain.
Actually, that seems to be the ultimate commandment of the Heroes writing team now....
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Old November 21 2008, 07:51 AM   #112
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Kryton wrote: View Post
DarthPipes wrote: View Post
HOWEVER, some questions, like Papa Petrelli's ultimate goal SHOULD be answered, because it simply raises the stakes of the story for the characters. It raises the stakes for the audience.
Yeah, what the hell is Mr. One Dimensional's ultimate goal?
A second dimension?
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Old November 21 2008, 08:39 AM   #113
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i thought it was excellent. i read Coomic Book Resources' 'Behind the Eclipse' thing and somethings to bear in mind:

Hiro's vision quest is condensing time. The end scene with HRG getting into Mo's cab was at a later point than mr exploding glasses man, Sylar was already killing by then. there was a line cut.

Hiro's vision quest mixing time up also explains a couple of other temporal oddities.

Arthur waanted Nathan killed to 'send a message' to the DA's office to back off investigating Linderman.
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Old November 21 2008, 08:43 AM   #114
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Arthur waanted Nathan killed to 'send a message' to the DA's office to back off investigating Linderman.
Question: How does the "killing Nathan" plotline fit into the "Arthur in favor of destroying New York" plotline? Was he already planning to have Sylar take over for Nathan (in politics)?
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Old November 21 2008, 04:18 PM   #115
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Answer: it doesn't. It's bad writing.
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