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Old November 18 2008, 01:30 AM   #31
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Re: The Death of Superman: 16 Years Later

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Uh, Iron Man didn't kill Captain America.


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I was told something different by a comic-loving former friend. I haven't seen the issue myself. It did seem kinda weird that another one of the Avengers would kill Captain America, though.
In fairness to your friend, it was Iron Man's fault that the opening existed to take out Captain America and Cap died as an enemy of the state and Tony as well. So IM feels guilt-ridden over the whole thing. (BTW, you can find the whole synopsis by googling a little).
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Old November 18 2008, 01:31 AM   #32
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Uh, Iron Man didn't kill Captain America.


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I was told something different by a comic-loving former friend. I haven't seen the issue myself. It did seem kinda weird that another one of the Avengers would kill Captain America, though.
In fairness to your friend, it was Iron Man's fault that the opening existed to take out Captain America and Cap died as an enemy of the state and Tony as well. So IM feels guilt-ridden over the whole thing. (BTW, you can find the whole synopsis by googling a little).
Well, that explains how Iron Man was involved...
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Old November 18 2008, 06:18 AM   #33
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Wow...I take that as a great compliment.

If you're interesting in taking the plunge, even if only to read "The Death of Superman," here are some options:
Yeah definitely, those are some good prices, less than $30 for a good read. I will definitely try them out.

I've always hated all these comics because of all these "extra dark/sinister" super antiheros. Superman as a character I've always liked though because he's a being who truly helps humanity out of the goodness of his own heart (I guess the fact that his character was based on the story of Jesus has to do partly with that )

Too bad your interest wasn't "piqued".
Wasn't sure of the correct spelling lol
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Old November 18 2008, 06:40 AM   #34
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Superman was made by two Jewish guys. I doubt they would have based it on Jesus in anyway.
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Old November 18 2008, 07:03 AM   #35
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Superman was made by two Jewish guys. I doubt they would have based it on Jesus in anyway.
Because a person is of one religion (or none) doesn't mean they can't borrow elements from other faiths in their storytelling, particularly when you're dealing with a cultural myth as pervasive as the story of Christ. Besides, the Messiah is a Jewish story - they only differ from Christians as to whether or not it's happened yet.

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Old November 18 2008, 07:47 AM   #36
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I remember enjoying "Superman" quite a bit at the time - I even really liked the long hair when he came back. It was, of course, a passing style and sensibly changed after a while.
It looked ok when he was Superman but no one could figure out how to make it look good on Clark Kent. I was glad when he finally got a haircut.
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Old November 18 2008, 12:30 PM   #37
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Re: The Death of Superman: 16 Years Later

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Superman was made by two Jewish guys. I doubt they would have based it on Jesus in anyway.
Because a person is of one religion (or none) doesn't mean they can't borrow elements from other faiths in their storytelling, particularly when you're dealing with a cultural myth as pervasive as the story of Christ. Besides, the Messiah is a Jewish story - they only differ from Christians as to whether or not it's happened yet.

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Well, both stories share a number of mythic elements that also appear in hundreds of other hero tales around the world, many of which were invented before the time of Christ or by peoples who would have had no knowledge of it.
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Old November 18 2008, 01:45 PM   #38
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I was never really into comics, but I do recall something about "The Death of Superman" being mentioned on television when I was little.

Although that may have been in reference to a TV show, I recall a character talking. And something about the mid-Atlantic, I think.
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Old November 18 2008, 03:21 PM   #39
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I may have to check them out sometime, I've never read the story because at that point I was really fed up with comic gimmicks and I never thought this was anything more than a really blatant one.
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Old November 18 2008, 08:50 PM   #40
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Well, both stories share a number of mythic elements that also appear in hundreds of other hero tales around the world, many of which were invented before the time of Christ or by peoples who would have had no knowledge of it.
Yes, but whereas it seems likely that two people in 1932 America/Canada could be influenced by the most popular story of the last two millenia, it's rather less likely they were inspired by the cult of Osiris or Mithraism, or else came up, wholly independantly, with a character that so closely cleaves to one of the most pervasive mythical stories of their time. Superman does correspond to a broad heroic archetype, particularly since (to keep this vaguely on topic) he has also undergone death and rebirth, but he is also more specifically an archetype of Christ within that broader category.

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Old November 18 2008, 11:04 PM   #41
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Superman = modern-day version of Hercules.
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Old November 18 2008, 11:53 PM   #42
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^ Not really. Apart from the 'only/last son' thing (and Zeus, as we all know, knocking up anything with a pulse), Superman is presented as a moral paragon whereas Herakles was... rather not.

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Old November 19 2008, 12:28 AM   #43
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But they're both strong, Trent. They're both strong.
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Old November 19 2008, 12:37 AM   #44
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^But I've seen them fight each other.
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Old November 19 2008, 12:53 AM   #45
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God, was that really sixteen years ago? I feel old now.
You can really start feeling old when 16 years seems like a very short period of time.
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