Section 31... - Page 4

Sci · November 11 2008, 05:18 AM

Rush Limborg wrote:

Erm, no. I don't save criticism for human rights abuses for only one special forum. I don't care who the abusers are or if they happen to have significant domestic support.

Understandable. Nonetheless, this is a Star Trek forum.

Under most circumstances, I'd be happy to bring up matters like that. However, as you are probably aware, every time I've done so here, I've had

to pay, for "bringing up politics in a Star Trek forum."

No, I'm not particularly aware of your history. Can't really say I've paid that much attention to you or to Gen Trek.

Rush Limborg · November 14 2008, 01:08 AM

No, I'm not particularly aware of your history. Can't really say I've paid that much attention to you or to Gen Trek.

It was in the Lit forum, actually.

Suffice it to say...things got pretty ugly between me and a couple left-leaning posters....

Sheliak · November 14 2008, 02:06 AM

msbae wrote:

Sheliak wrote:

Who were the Tal Shiar in Ancient Rome?

The Praetorian Guard, perhaps?

Is there an historian in the house?

Penta · November 14 2008, 02:28 AM

...Amateur one, so I'll ask Sheliak for clarification: Internal security or external intelligence gathering?

Sheliak · November 14 2008, 03:07 AM

Penta wrote:

...Amateur one, so I'll ask Sheliak for clarification: Internal security or external intelligence gathering?

External Security, but if not just list them all.

Penta · November 14 2008, 03:29 AM

That's the funny thing - the Romans didn't have an external intelligence service, as I understand it. Hired spies, yes. An intel service as we understand it, no.

Sheliak · November 14 2008, 04:09 AM

Penta wrote:

That's the funny thing - the Romans didn't have an external intelligence service, as I understand it. Hired spies, yes. An intel service as we understand it, no.

Go back a little, try the Senate. You'll get it eventually.

Penta · November 14 2008, 04:09 AM

I said I was an amateur.

Sheliak · November 14 2008, 04:20 AM

Penta wrote:

I said I was an amateur.

Oh very well... Speculator

Tuvok · February 12 2013, 05:24 PM

Sector 7 wrote:

No mention of it.... because...

Section 31 does not exist

It is a lie, spoken by madmen and miscreants.

It is not the movement in the corner of your eye, a whisper in your ear. Nor the knife between your ribs.

It is not a series of Agents dedicated to protecting the Federation from itself.

It is not composed of Agents, who will kill , betray , destroy in the name of Utopia.

It is not the smile in the dark , the slight of hand of fate nor the line that is never crossed.

And if you keep asking questions about Section 31 , nothing mysterious and sudden will happen to you.

T'Cal · February 14 2013, 04:03 PM

"The Wounded" is one of my favorite episodes and Maxwell was clearly working alone with revenge as his motivation. I had hoped we would see him in DS9 as a member of the Maquis. Imagine Miles having to fight on the opposite side of his beloved commander. That could be some great story telling!

The Wormhole · February 14 2013, 04:08 PM

T'Cal wrote:

"The Wounded" is one of my favorite episodes and Maxwell was clearly working alone with revenge as his motivation. I had hoped we would see him in DS9 as a member of the Maquis. Imagine Miles having to fight on the opposite side of his beloved commander. That could be some great story telling!

Since Maxwell was presumably doing prison time when the Maquis was formed, and it's doubtful he would would have been released before their downfall, I really don't see how that would have been possible. After all, I doubt a starship captain who launched unprovoked attacks against someone the Federation has a treaty with got out of prison within 3-6 years.

Pavonis · February 14 2013, 06:18 PM

The Federation doesn't use prisons except to hold captured criminals prior to treatment. As far as criminal behavior goes, it's treated as a psychiatric disease, and prisoners are "patients", sentenced to rehabilitation therapy. It's likely that Maxwell was sentenced to therapy for 6+ months or so (the same sentence Garak received for attempting genocide against the Founders).

OK, so there are penal colonies, where Tom Paris was serving time, but it makes one wonder whether penal colonies are simply where people stay while they're being treated.

So it's possible that Maxwell would've been released long before the Maquis movement started, but would he have joined after his therapy?

E-DUB · February 14 2013, 09:57 PM

I've often wondered if the destruction of a planet in the Ceti Alpha system just months after Kirk left Khan and his supermen there was mere coincidence or if Sec 31 had a hand in that.

sonak · February 14 2013, 10:06 PM

section 31 is one of the sillier elements introduced into the Trekverse. They should have just been a part of Starfleet Intelligence-the "super-secret organization that doesn't officially exist" stuff belongs in bad spy novels.

November 14 2008, 02:28 AM	#49
Penta Commander	Re: Section 31... ...Amateur one, so I'll ask Sheliak for clarification: Internal security or external intelligence gathering?

November 14 2008, 03:29 AM	#51
Penta Commander	Re: Section 31... That's the funny thing - the Romans didn't have an external intelligence service, as I understand it. Hired spies, yes. An intel service as we understand it, no.

November 14 2008, 04:09 AM	#53
Penta Commander	Re: Section 31... I said I was an amateur.

February 14 2013, 04:03 PM	#56
T'Cal Commodore Location: Chicago	Re: Section 31... "The Wounded" is one of my favorite episodes and Maxwell was clearly working alone with revenge as his motivation. I had hoped we would see him in DS9 as a member of the Maquis. Imagine Miles having to fight on the opposite side of his beloved commander. That could be some great story telling! __________________ "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." -- Judge Aaron Satie

February 14 2013, 06:18 PM	#58
Pavonis Commodore Location: South Dakota	Re: Section 31... The Federation doesn't use prisons except to hold captured criminals prior to treatment. As far as criminal behavior goes, it's treated as a psychiatric disease, and prisoners are "patients", sentenced to rehabilitation therapy. It's likely that Maxwell was sentenced to therapy for 6+ months or so (the same sentence Garak received for attempting genocide against the Founders). OK, so there are penal colonies, where Tom Paris was serving time, but it makes one wonder whether penal colonies are simply where people stay while they're being treated. So it's possible that Maxwell would've been released long before the Maquis movement started, but would he have joined after his therapy?

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February 14 2013, 09:57 PM	#59
E-DUB Commander	Re: Section 31... I've often wondered if the destruction of a planet in the Ceti Alpha system just months after Kirk left Khan and his supermen there was mere coincidence or if Sec 31 had a hand in that.

February 14 2013, 10:06 PM	#60
sonak Rear Admiral Location: in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination	Re: Section 31... section 31 is one of the sillier elements introduced into the Trekverse. They should have just been a part of Starfleet Intelligence-the "super-secret organization that doesn't officially exist" stuff belongs in bad spy novels.