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Old October 25 2008, 03:36 AM   #1
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I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

I am looking for other writers/Trek fans willing to help me develop, write, and pitch to Pocket Books an adventure that takes place in the 25th century but ends up on the Enterprise being refitted before ST-TMP. I wish to make this a Scotty adventure, rather than a typical Kirk-Spock-McCoy story. I want to learn all I can about the major refit of the Enterprise and I like to know what kind of time travel element that would make this exciting to read! Please contact me on here and at hudsonman35@gmail.com, help me succeed on this project! I been a Trek fan for over 30 years now, I met George Takei and Nichelle Nichols years ago. I want to write for Star Trek!

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Old October 25 2008, 03:53 AM   #2
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

Well, a good start would be first, watching TMP, and learning what you can from that of the refit... also, Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise is a great resource on the refit Enterprise.

As for what time travel element would be interesting, hehe... that is something YOU as the principal author must determine... you MUST, and I cannot emphasize this enough... you MUST have the basic plot outline for the entire story down pat, before you even begin to write anything.

That's it, for starters.

I have had the stories firmly set for ALL of my own fics:

-Star Trek: Entomalians
-Star Trek: A New Beginning
-Star Trek: United We Stand
-Star Trek: Distant Star - "Waking Nightmares"
-Battlestar Urantia
-Shades of Gray

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Old October 25 2008, 05:31 AM   #3
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Well, for starters, tell people to put their ideas into this thread instead of making your e-mail public. You just opened yourself up to a LOT of spam.

Second, I'd like to see the Guardian used more often. However, you might have to pay Harlan Ellison a royalty and he's not easy to deal with...
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Old October 25 2008, 03:33 PM   #4
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

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Well, for starters, tell people to put their ideas into this thread instead of making your e-mail public. You just opened yourself up to a LOT of spam.

Second, I'd like to see the Guardian used more often. However, you might have to pay Harlan Ellison a royalty and he's not easy to deal with...
The Guardian(s) were used prominently in my Star Trek: A New Beginning story.
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Old October 25 2008, 06:29 PM   #5
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

marknetprod wrote: View Post
I am looking for other writers/Trek fans willing to help me develop, write, and pitch to Pocket Books an adventure that takes place in the 25th century but ends up on the Enterprise being refitted before ST-TMP. I wish to make this a Scotty adventure, rather than a typical Kirk-Spock-McCoy story. I want to learn all I can about the major refit of the Enterprise and I like to know what kind of time travel element that would make this exciting to read! Please contact me on here and at hudsonman35@gmail.com, help me succeed on this project! I been a Trek fan for over 30 years now, I met George Takei and Nichelle Nichols years ago. I want to write for Star Trek!

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It's a great idea, in theory, but I've got to ask if you've actually kept up with how the novels have been using Scotty, because that's going to play into your proposal considerably, I think. The only thing that allows me to legally be in here is the fact that I'm not writing Trek fiction professionally anymore, so I'm afraid I can't offer help beyond a bit of advice from my time doing this professionally.

My best advice? Don't try to propose a story you're emotionally attached to. Because if it even flies (which, considering how serialized things have been lately, there's at the very least a 50/50 chance it won't), you will probably see changes to the proposal from the licensor. I don't think I've ever seen a novel proposal go through without changes in all the time I've been in or around the process.

But definitely write your outline (often referred to as the proposal) first. Unless you really want to write 100K of novel without a guide, and then reverse the proposal out of the finished manuscript. I've tried that. It's really masochism, IMO.

Follow the guidelines at simonsays.com. Seriously. I'm not seeing a way that this could violate the "stories we don't want to see" portion of the guidelines, but this is a very basic description at best.

One thing I highly recommend doing, prove to yourself that you can write to completion a 100K novel before even attempting this. As someone who had to face a lot of doubt about whether I was "ready" to write a novel, proving your ability to write and finish the 100K involved will put a point in your favor before you even start.

And you'll actually get a hearing if you have an agent. Unsolicited manuscripts aren't exactly flying these days.

And there you face the tricky part: getting an agent when all you have for them to try to sell is a Trek novel. This is why so many people recommend establishing yourself with original fiction before you try to sell to Trek. Your chances of getting an agent improve the more they see you as someone with more than a Trek novel they can represent.

I apologize for the haphazard nature of the post. I'm in the middle of moving into a new apartment right now, and I saw this as I was taking a break from lifting furniture. Feel free to ask me any questions you may have on the processs. If I don't have the answer, I know several people who might.
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Old October 25 2008, 07:24 PM   #6
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

"Star Trek: --------------"

25th Century Alpha Quadrant. A Dyson Sphere appears suddenly without explanation or hails to neighboring ships. The sphere's hatches open while hundreds of small pod-craft leave the shell of the Sphere and begin firing, taking out several Klingon & Starfleet ships assisting Cardassia Prime to rebuild following the Jem Hadar bombardment. The Starfleet-Klingon convoy cannot track & lock onto that many targets & destroy them simultaneously, leaving the convoy decimated. The podcraft begin to maneuver into landing patterns on Cardassia.

31st Century Starfleet

"Chef" Daniels notices the Temporal Incursion & signals for an agent to correct the 'oversight'.

29th Century Starfleet

Captain Braddox of the Temporal Vessel Relativity notices the breach & diverts course to intercept.
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Old October 25 2008, 07:41 PM   #7
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Old October 25 2008, 07:46 PM   #8
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Yeah...as I recall, the guidelines forbid time-travel tales.

However...you've got a good idea. A nice "high-concept", as it were.

Myself, I'm writing a Trek novel, too--one that violates the guidelines, BTW.

The thing about the guidelines, though, is that they only apply to rookies. Once you're experienced, you're free to try and publish this one.

Now...I wrote a plot synopsis first. I then left it alone for a while--long enough for me to get new ideas to work into the tale. Then, I re-wrote some of the plot.

Finally, I started writing.

As for where to start. Ever heard it said, "Start in the Middle"?

That's bunk. You wanna start at the beginning of the plot--or a little bit before. Still...start with something that will pull the reader in.

Something emotionally relevent to the story...but with an undertone of "Hey, something interesting is going to happen."

When you write, use the synopsis, but take care--it's not carved in stone. If a new idea hits you (a new scene, or a new plot turn, whatever), by all means write it!

I would use the guideline as your basic agenda--the general idea for your story. If you're stuck, refer to it. It'll help put you back on track.
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Old October 25 2008, 09:36 PM   #9
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

We've all done our Trek novels that violate the guidelines at some point, Rush.
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Old October 25 2008, 10:08 PM   #10
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We've all done our Trek novels that violate the guidelines at some point, Rush.
Of course. However...they were never our first sales, amen?
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Old October 26 2008, 02:41 AM   #11
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

Frankly, my first question would be-do you have an agent? Second would be-don't discuss details of your story on a public forum-the liability factor could squelch a deal that might otherwise be accepted. Third-do it all yourself. The only way Marco or any other editor would invest the effort in your story would be if they believed you were reliable enough to follow through under a deadline. Fourth-try to land a few semi-pro to pro writing assignments so you aren't just going to an editor/publisher with your ST story-you'll also be bringing some credentials to the table. Oh, and suck up to Terrio, Krad and the other writers. As long as you don't blurt out story ideas in their (online) presence they can give helpful advice. And they love flattery! Good luck!
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Old October 26 2008, 04:57 AM   #12
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

Frankly, my first question would be-do you have an agent? Second would be-don't discuss details of your story on a public forum-the liability factor could squelch a deal that might otherwise be accepted. Third-do it all yourself. The only way Marco or any other editor would invest the effort in your story would be if they believed you were reliable enough to follow through under a deadline. Fourth-try to land a few semi-pro to pro writing assignments so you aren't just going to an editor/publisher with your ST story-you'll also be bringing some credentials to the table. Oh, and suck up to Terrio, Krad and the other writers. As long as you don't blurt out story ideas in their (online) presence they can give helpful advice. And they love flattery! Good luck!
(Applauds like mad) Right on! Right on! Right on!!!

Especially that last point....
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Old October 26 2008, 01:57 PM   #13
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

And let's not use this as a place to trash talk other members of the board, please, Rush. Yes, I'd say that no matter who it was, before anyone starts accusing me of bias. I haven't worked for them since 2006. Sucking up to me is pointless, but I can offer advice on what I did learn while I was working in the line.

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We've all done our Trek novels that violate the guidelines at some point, Rush.
Of course. However...they were never our first sales, amen?
Hate to blow your firmly-held belief, but mine didn't sell at all. I didn't play by the rules very well.

As for what Mistral said, discussing whatever about your idea you're comfortable discussing in fanfic is fine. The writers who are still working in the line don't come here. Discussing it in TrekLit, however, is a bad idea.
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Old October 26 2008, 05:04 PM   #14
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Re: I have an idea for a Star Trek Novel!

All I can offer is that personally, I would never collaborate with anyone on a story... as much as the two of you may agree, there WILL come a point where opinions will clash, about where the story should go, or some other aspect, and that will create animosity and frustration.

If it's a story you created and care deeply about, you have to go it alone... otherwise, be prepared for the finished product to be different than the story you envisioned.
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Old October 26 2008, 07:51 PM   #15
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And let's not use this as a place to trash talk other members of the board, please, Rush. Yes, I'd say that no matter who it was, before anyone starts accusing me of bias.
Whoa, whoa, whoa...what???

I wasn't trying to trash anyone....
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