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Old October 25 2008, 09:42 AM   #16
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Re: How could they evac Pegasus?

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gotta assume they gutted Pegasus right down to the superstructure before taking it into battle. Absolute minimum crew, no supplies, no vipers, only the raptors needed for evac. Why they trashed Pegasus but kept Galactica only makes sense in the context of the name of the show, bad military decision...
I'd wondered if anyone else had thought of that...once Cain was dead, Adama should have transferred his flag to Pegasus and given Lee the Galactica.
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Old October 25 2008, 11:46 AM   #17
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Re: How could they evac Pegasus?

definitely. although, with all the talk about cylons being able to abuse the wireless systems, seems like Pegasus got away with using a lot of them. Even without the virus, Pegasus should have been in trouble there. They can say they survived at the beginning because systems were down, but why they were able to fight a running battle for months after that (and before they purged the virus from their mainframe and vipers) is a rather gaping plot hole...
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Old October 25 2008, 12:00 PM   #18
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definitely. although, with all the talk about cylons being able to abuse the wireless systems, seems like Pegasus got away with using a lot of them. Even without the virus, Pegasus should have been in trouble there. They can say they survived at the beginning because systems were down, but why they were able to fight a running battle for months after that (and before they purged the virus from their mainframe and vipers) is a rather gaping plot hole...
Dialoge in "Razor" explains that they never installed the CNP with the virus in it at Scorpia, which is why the ship survived the ambush. Later, Pegasus Six was able to partially infiltrate the system using the command codes she'd been given. After her capture, presumedly they simply purged the affected systems and reinstalled the non-virus software.
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Old October 25 2008, 08:53 PM   #19
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Re: How could they evac Pegasus?

Haven't seen Razor yet, so can't comment on that part (I'm a couple episodes into Season 4). As for the rest, it was HEAVILY implied, if not stated outright, that networked computers and wireless connections were things taken advantage of by the Cylons, which is why Adama wouldn't even allow a network of teaching computers on when it was turning into a museum. Galactica, operated during the war, reflects that. The newer class of battlestars was built later on, after the cylons disappeared, and seemed to get away from a lot of that (from some of what we saw), so I'd have thought more vulernable to that.

Same problem with the Vipers aboard Pegasus. Makes sense that Pegasus may have avoided the computer upgrade, but not that it would have been skipped on the Vipers as well. Many if not all of them would have been updated during the spare time they had in dock while the ship was down being upgraded. Hell, even the Galactica managed to have their new vipers all updated, and they were on their way to be decommed. Only the museum pieces were unaffected...
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Old October 25 2008, 09:19 PM   #20
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Re: How could they evac Pegasus?

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gotta assume they gutted Pegasus right down to the superstructure before taking it into battle. Absolute minimum crew, no supplies, no vipers, only the raptors needed for evac. Why they trashed Pegasus but kept Galactica only makes sense in the context of the name of the show, bad military decision.

Also, doesn't make much sense that Galactica is THAT hurting for people afterwards. She's now got 2 crew complements. Even if you assume that a good chunk died or was left behind on NC, there was still enough to operate it, plus more Viper pilots than Galactica had. Also their full set of grease monkeys, of which Galactica seems to be in very short supply of shortly after the 2nd exodus. They double up, and still seem to have less than they started with...
Actually... you WOULD be right, but it made more sense to get rid of Pegasus, because Galactica had already take such a big pounding by the time Lee came in, that Galactica simply would not have survived long enough for an evac operation.
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Old October 25 2008, 11:17 PM   #21
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Re: How could they evac Pegasus?

The other thing to consider is that even after Galactica had jumped, there were still civvie ships to be protected (Colonial One didn't even leave until after the Pegasus had been destroyed).

Had Lee not jumped in, then Galactica would have gone down, leaving the Basestars and Raiders free to concentrate on the Vipers and civvies.

Had Galactica remained to fight alongside the Pegasus, in her damaged state, a single Basestar could have remained to finish her off while the others engaged Pegasus with the result that Lee would have been forced to jump away to avoid her own destruction, once again leading to larger civilian casualties, along with huge Viper losses as these would have needed to either be abandoned or fight their way through the Basestars and Raiders to reach the Pegasus.

Galactica took the arrival of the Pegasus as an opportunity to get out of harm's way, fix the FTL, land the Vipers, then get the hell out of Dodge.

Lee simply took over the duties of flying target to distract the Cylons, and in the cause of saving the civilians, the Pegasus had to be considered expendable, a fitting end that vindicated her after Cain saw civvies as expendable to continue her fight with the Cylons.
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Old October 26 2008, 12:18 AM   #22
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Haven't seen Razor yet, so can't comment on that part (I'm a couple episodes into Season 4). As for the rest, it was HEAVILY implied, if not stated outright, that networked computers and wireless connections were things taken advantage of by the Cylons, which is why Adama wouldn't even allow a network of teaching computers on when it was turning into a museum. Galactica, operated during the war, reflects that. The newer class of battlestars was built later on, after the cylons disappeared, and seemed to get away from a lot of that (from some of what we saw), so I'd have thought more vulernable to that.

Same problem with the Vipers aboard Pegasus. Makes sense that Pegasus may have avoided the computer upgrade, but not that it would have been skipped on the Vipers as well. Many if not all of them would have been updated during the spare time they had in dock while the ship was down being upgraded. Hell, even the Galactica managed to have their new vipers all updated, and they were on their way to be decommed. Only the museum pieces were unaffected...
That's just it...they hadn't been upgraded YET...that was why the ship was at Scorpia, having just recently made port. The Cylons attacked BEFORE Pegasus and her Vipers had been upgraded with the tainted software.
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Old October 26 2008, 02:14 AM   #23
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Re: How could they evac Pegasus?

Of course, even without the backdoor in the new operating system, the networked systems would still be vulnerable to Cylon hacking, like what happened in "Scattered."

I'd assume that even though the Colonial military had relaxed their standards on networked computers, they were still designed so they could be disconnected and operated independently if worse came to worse. That'd also explain how Adama could keep Galactica operating without a network, even though he probably wouldn't have enough clout to decline whatever refits and upgrades the ship was due for.
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Old October 27 2008, 04:35 PM   #24
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I've always thought the way the Cylons were able to hack the Galactica in Scattered was poorly written. They networked the computers together with cables and the Cylons were still able to hack them? Why couldn't they turn off all wireless signals except for radio contact with their vipers while the computers were networked? If all they did was connect the computers together with wires why can't the Cylons hack each indivdual system when they aren't networked together?
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Old October 27 2008, 05:01 PM   #25
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You're absolutely right. They should be concerned about WIRELESS networks or traffic (both between systems onboard, and between them and the vipers). Wireless would be their way in, and also explain why they had wired phones and older headsets. Of course, Pegasus had way more wireless gear (to look newer and kewler), so would have been at greater risk.

If just networking the computers together, but doing it by hard-wiring them) made them vulnerable, then each system was already vulnerable by itself (moreso because they implied the firewall Gaeda added was new and just for that), and the ship would have been lost before they left the arms depot in the pilot...
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Old October 27 2008, 05:45 PM   #26
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Re: How could they evac Pegasus?

They really should of gotten someone who has a passing familiarity with networks to go over the script before they finalized it. I'm sure NBC Universal has a ton of IT staff, they should of just grabbed one of them, made them sign a NDA, and had them read the script.
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Old October 27 2008, 06:49 PM   #27
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In point of fact, the science advisor for BSG has written about his rationales for the networking computers conundrum.

TECH BLOG #4: Networking For Success - The Galactica Way

TECH BLOG #5A: The LAN That Time Forgot

TECH BLOG #5B: 'We're hacking their network,' said Number Six with a WAN smile
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Old October 29 2008, 06:53 AM   #28
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When you have to spend 3 pages that are that long explaining it maybe they should of done it differently in the first place.
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Old October 29 2008, 01:52 PM   #29
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and after the 3 long, convoluted pages, I'm still not convinced

If they can easily hack all the computers when they are networked, but hardwired together, then can just as easily hack the individual systems. Just something like shutting down the FTL would do it, as they use the same stock footage of like 30 nukes and 100 raiders that always zoom through the spot where Galactica JUST jumped out of. Delaying their jump even 2 seconds would destroy the ship in almost every episode...
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Old October 29 2008, 04:21 PM   #30
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I agree. Some of the things he's talking about, like how it's possible that there were actually could of been dozens of computers networked for that episode, and normally some computer systems actually are networked together, go against the dialog from the show.

I also didn't see an answer to how the virus got in there (though the explanation was so long I could of missed it), the Cylons shouldn't of been able to interface with the FTL, navigation, damage control or fire control computers in any way. If they were somehow able to interface with any of those on their own (maybe with the exception of the damage control computer) they could of easily destroyed the ship by preventing the FTL from working, causing the Galactica to jump into a planet, or preventing the weapons from firing.
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