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Old October 23 2008, 04:57 AM   #31
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Re: Superman 2-Donner cut

I see nothing wrong with the Donner cut's ending, considering that it was more or less what was in the works at the time the Salkinds shitecanned Donner, wasn't it?
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Old October 23 2008, 02:20 PM   #32
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I see nothing wrong with the Donner cut's ending, considering that it was more or less what was in the works at the time the Salkinds shitecanned Donner, wasn't it?
The ending was fine except that it was used in Superman I and the bar scene made no sense. But they explained it in the making of feature. They decided to use the turning back time in Superman I knowing they would need a new ending to II. Then Donner was fired. So for the DVD they had two options, use the super kiss or spin the earth again. They didn't like the super kiss so the only option was to turn back time. Personally I have no problem with it. I only wish they cut the 2nd bar fight.
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Old October 23 2008, 04:32 PM   #33
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Re: Superman 2-Donner cut

That's what it was. In any case, Donner wasn't around to make a new ending for Superman II, so in the interest of having as "pure" a Donner cut as possible, the reuse of the time-reversal thing doesn't bother me.
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Old October 23 2008, 11:29 PM   #34
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Re: Superman 2-Donner cut

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I see nothing wrong with the Donner cut's ending, considering that it was more or less what was in the works at the time the Salkinds shitecanned Donner, wasn't it?
It was a bad idea back then, too. I only barely forgive them for using it in the 1st movie because...
1.) He only turns things back a few minutes, rather than erasing the entire movie.
2.) There's a certain implication that he probably wouldn't be able to do it again because he was only able to summon the strength to do it this time due to the uncontrollable rage at Lois Lane's death.
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Old October 23 2008, 11:36 PM   #35
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Superman turning back time erased everything he did in the movie. He had to suffer no consequences (loss of life I mean) for his actions. Also, is Jor-El still "alive" because he turned back time? Foolish ending I think.
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Old October 23 2008, 11:37 PM   #36
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If he went back in time, wouldn't he meet himself? That's really the only problem I have with it.

Maybe he killed his past self, then went to mack on Lois.

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Old October 24 2008, 03:04 AM   #37
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BTW, here is a YouTube video I came up with (that someone else assembled) that shows how the Lois situation could be handled.
Oooohhh! That's bad. But SO good!
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Old October 24 2008, 03:38 AM   #38
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It was a bad idea back then, too.
I didn't say I liked the concept of Superman turning back time. I just don't think it's any worse in SII:TRDC than in S:TM. Based on your post, I can understand why you would. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.
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Old October 24 2008, 03:47 AM   #39
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2.) There's a certain implication that he probably wouldn't be able to do it again because he was only able to summon the strength to do it this time due to the uncontrollable rage at Lois Lane's death.
Exactly. If he could do this every time, that means he wouldn't have to suffer any consequences. He could just reverse whatever went wrong. I'd rather have the whole "Earth spinning" thing be a one-time thing, brought on only because of his inconsolable loss.
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Old October 24 2008, 03:50 AM   #40
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It was a bad idea back then, too.
I didn't say I liked the concept of Superman turning back time. I just don't think it's any worse in SII:TRDC than in S:TM. Based on your post, I can understand why you would. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.
Let me clarify -- I mean the time reversal gimmick in SII:TRDC doesn't bother me any more than it does in S:TM, with the assumption that Donner would have written a different ending for S:TM had he not been shitecanned.
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Old October 24 2008, 01:58 PM   #41
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It was a bad idea back then, too.
I didn't say I liked the concept of Superman turning back time. I just don't think it's any worse in SII:TRDC than in S:TM. Based on your post, I can understand why you would. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.
Let me clarify -- I mean the time reversal gimmick in SII:TRDC doesn't bother me any more than it does in S:TM, with the assumption that Donner would have written a different ending for S:TM had he not been shitecanned.
Nope, you have it backwards. Donner chose to use the ending in S:TM knowing he would need to create a new ending for SII. He never created that second ending because he was fired.
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Old October 24 2008, 02:00 PM   #42
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^Yes, that's on the DVDs (the big tin with all five films). Donner would have used the time reversal in Superman II but he was under pressure from the Salkinds to get the first film out the door.
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