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View Poll Results: Grade "Star Trek: Destiny: Gods of Night"
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Old October 18 2008, 05:55 AM   #241
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Well I've thankfully finally been able to start the book. I hope to finish it before the end of the weekend (I have a lot of work going on - five exams this week )
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Old October 18 2008, 06:01 PM   #242
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Ewww! Suddenly my 2 papers due mon and tues don't seem so awful. I empathize... tho I'm done soon. What about you?
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Old October 19 2008, 04:54 AM   #243
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^ I have one class over the summer and then I will graduate with degrees Business Administration and Public Administration both.

Up to Chapter 13.
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Old October 19 2008, 07:22 AM   #244
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I loved it as I expected I would. It's another great effort from Mr. Mack. This is how you tell a story that involved multiple series without resorting to "guest star team up." This book really puts the rest of the TNG relaunch to shame. The Borg are handled well. The humor works. The tone is nice and there are major changes to characters that don't feel half-assed. Too bad I don't have book 2 in my hands right now.
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Old October 19 2008, 05:59 PM   #245
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^ Thank you, rafterman1701. Kind of you to say. Hope you continue to enjoy the trilogy!
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Old October 19 2008, 07:59 PM   #246
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I just read the prolouge and first chapter friday, and so far so good. I only have about 25 pages left on Kobayashi Maru now, so I was probably gonna finish that before I read anymore GoN. Is that mystery resolved by the end of this book, or is does it go through the whole trilogy?
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Old October 19 2008, 09:02 PM   #247
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You don't really want us to spoil it for you, do you?

Oh, very well....
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Old October 19 2008, 09:06 PM   #248
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I just finished reading GoN. I really enjoyed the book. The Caeliar were very interesting aliens. I am always fascinated by aliens who are truly different than humans, both in their physical appearance and their cultural values. And, it was cool that they have city-ships like Atlantis from Stargate: Atlantis. The book did a great job of telling different stories but tying them together.

I wonder if the Caeliar will solve Troi's pregnancy problem, especially since they value life so much.

I am guessing the advanced civilization sent the feedback pulse for much the same reasons why the Caeliar displace intruders. They see the Caeliar as less advanced, like the Caeliar view humans. Like the Caeliar, they do not like lesser lifeforms violating their privacy.

Also, if I understand things right, the Borg basically found a way to use the Caeliar's space tunnels used to contact other civilization, as a way to travel through space faster than transwarp. If I am right, I wonder what the Caeliar will do when they discover what the Borg are doing?
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Old October 19 2008, 10:01 PM   #249
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You don't really want us to spoil it for you, do you?

Oh, very well....
Ok, cool. Now, I'm gonna to finish up on here so I can get back to KM.
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Old October 20 2008, 12:59 PM   #250
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Finished the book last night. I didn't find it as gripping as Warpath, which was one of the two other Mack-Stories I've read and my personal favorite. I guess thats because of GoN mainly being setup und being divided into four different plots that converge only at the end of the book.

Nevertheless it was still an entertaining, good read.

Having not read any novels of the TNG-relaunch, it was great to see Picard & Crew back in Action. A lot has changed since Nemesis, character- and crew-wise, and I found it well written and intriguing. This part really succeeds in creating a feeling of tension, dread and hopelessness.

The Titan-plot was a bit underwhelming, partly because not much was happening (they found a strange star system, got knocked out of warp a bit and arrived at said star system and thats about it) and partly because the baby-issue was already very prominent in Sword of Damocles. While I realize that its important for the characters and I'm interested to see how it plays out, I hope it gets resolved soon one way or the other (hopefully in this trilogy). I can only take so much of a depressive captain and his wife before I stop enjoying the story. Maybe the Caeliar can help?
Afterall, since they are so concerned about preserving sentient life in their care, shouldn't it be against their laws to not help Deanna?

Over at the Gamma-Quadrant, I really didn't see the twist about the intruder coming, which was a nice touch. From the way it was described in the earlier chapters it seemed to be a very powerful and evil entity that would play a major part in this trilogy. For a moment, I even thought it was whoever sent that feedback pulse to Erigol, and that it had hitched a ride on Columbia during her journey through the subspace tunnel.
Was very surprised to see it turn out to be sort of a red hering. Ezri works well as a captain and I especially liked her banter with Bowers. I can't wait to read about how she got that post.

Although they reminded me a bit of Stargates Nox (what with the floating cities, Isolation, Pacifism and all), the Caeliar are a great addition to the pantheon of almost omnipotent Trek-species. I like that Hernandez plays such an important part in this story, as I always liked her appearances on ENT as well. The conflict between her and Foyle played out nicely, and I really didn't see it coming when Foyle had Thayer shot. Very interesting (and ruthless) choice of tactic, that made me hate him with a passion and admire his tactical skills both at the same time.
But like Baerbel, I had to laugh at the "Scheisskopf"-bit. I've honestly never heard that insult before, and I live in Germany. Insults like "Depp", "Idiot"(Yes, we use that too) or "Vollhonk" (quite popular among the youth nowadays) all mean the same thing and would have been much more fitting, imho.

Yes, I'm being quite nitpicky here. You can thank Marvel and DC for that. "Der Himmel Blutungen" my ass.
It can't be that hard, to google some common german insults, can it?

I'm btw on board with the poster who guessed, we might see the origin of the Borg here. Wouldn't be surprised, if Karl Graylock and the city he was on ended up somewhere in the Deltaquadrant.
If that turns out to be true, then Riker would have quite a point to convince the Caeliar to help the Federation. After all, it would be their fault the Borg exist.

I'll refrain from a final verdict until I 've read all three books. But its shaping up pretty nicely.

Looking forward to Mere Mortals.
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Old October 20 2008, 04:32 PM   #251
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Ezri works well as a captain and I especially liked her banter with Bowers. I can't wait to read about how she got that post.
This is actually covered in the first chapter of the book. Ezri was appointed Captain after the original Captain, and First Officer were killed in a battle with Borg. Aftewards, she was given command and brought Bowers and Leishman on board to replace the XO, and the Cheif Engineer who was also killed. I'm suprised so many people missed that.
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Old October 20 2008, 04:41 PM   #252
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It can't be that hard, to google some common german insults, can it?
Harder than you think, actually. At least, it was when the book was written. Sorry that threw you out the narrative.

Thanks for your other comments. Hope you enjoy the rest of the trilogy.
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Old October 20 2008, 04:55 PM   #253
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It can't be that hard, to google some common german insults, can it?
Harder than you think, actually. At least, it was when the book was written. Sorry that threw you out the narrative.
Googling is easy. Knowing how they're going to sound to a living, breathing native speaker is more difficult.
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Old October 20 2008, 05:12 PM   #254
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It can't be that hard, to google some common german insults, can it?
Harder than you think, actually. At least, it was when the book was written. Sorry that threw you out the narrative.
Warning: VERY vulgar words in there. Enter at your own risk.
http://www.insults.net/html/swear/german.html

Took me about 20 seconds. Don't know how old that page is, though.

This is actually covered in the first chapter of the book. Ezri was appointed Captain after the original Captain, and First Officer were killed in a battle with Borg. Aftewards, she was given command and brought Bowers and Leishman on board to replace the XO, and the Cheif Engineer who was also killed. I'm suprised so many people missed that.
I didn't miss it. But we still don't know how or why she ended up on the Aventine in the first place.

Googling is easy. Knowing how they're going to sound to a living, breathing native speaker is more difficult.
Which is why I didn't complain, that it was inappropriate in the given Situattion (which it actually was ).

But enough of that. For most people, this is a non-issue anyway, since they're not native German speakers.
Don't want to derail the discussion.
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Old October 20 2008, 05:17 PM   #255
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I think I caught a minor mistake on p. 210:
"There must be dozens of populated systems within a light-year of each pulse," Pazlar said.

"Eighty-three to be precise," Tuvok said...
What David meant to write, I believe was, "There must be dozens of populated systems within a light-year of a pulse," because if there were 83 stars within a light-year of each pulse, that wouldn't make sense. Perhaps an even better way to put it would have been, "Each of those pulses is within a light-year of a populated system and there are dozens of pulses!"
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