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Old October 15 2008, 10:04 AM   #16
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Re: The "original" Ten-Forward

Have you never been in a restaurant that had steps separating different sections? It happens all the time.
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Old October 15 2008, 11:41 AM   #17
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Have you never been in a restaurant that had steps separating different sections? It happens all the time.
That is not what I meant.

Look, the windows on the forward edge of the saucer bend into the floor. There simply isn't any room for the bar-area to be lower than the the seating-area with the windows in the floor.
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Old October 15 2008, 11:55 AM   #18
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The other thing that really makes absolutely no sense at all about the 10-Forward-set were those 2 or 3 steps that devided the bar-section from the seating-area... stupid...
From a set design perspective, the steps make perfect sense. They increase the apparent size of the set.

From a "realistic" perspective, they increase the height of the overall room, making it even less likely that the room would fit within the rim of the Enterprise's saucer.
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Old October 15 2008, 12:06 PM   #19
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But the steps also create the impression that there's no room to spare beneath the windowside tables, at the narrow rim, so they have to be raised by a few steps - while the bar itself, farther in, can afford to be higher, with a lower-down floor.

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Old October 15 2008, 12:59 PM   #20
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The rim of the saucer isn't flat, it curves up to the edge. Hence the dual-level floor to help follow the curve.

Part of the TV-set reason, I imagine, was to allow the windows to curve under the platform floor giving an impression of depth. Had they built it one-level-only on the stage floor they couldn't have done that. Hence the raised platform as an elegant solution to the design challenge.
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Old October 15 2008, 01:32 PM   #21
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When Andrew Probert was doing initial designs on the Galaxy class, he had envisioned differently what eventually became Ten-Forward (which he dislikes, because he feels it's not really proportional to the saucer).
Quite true. As you can see, the saucer rim is way too small to accommodate that ridiculous set. It is a bit hard for me to understand why Berman insisted on stuffing that room in there when I totally provided many sizable window alcoves alluding to places of large social gatherings: restaurants, lounges, etc.



Below, you can see the windows provided for an Officer's Lounge which would have been perfect for a '10-forward'-sized space...



... but Producer Bob Justman had that set of windows (and many others) divided into smaller window sets, like the resulting odd block of windows below the saucer's shuttle bay.

Frustrating? Indeed, but I'm not the only person whose designs were/are not understood by "those in charge".

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Old October 15 2008, 02:16 PM   #22
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When Andrew Probert was doing initial designs on the Galaxy class, he had envisioned differently what eventually became Ten-Forward (which he dislikes, because he feels it's not really proportional to the saucer).
Quite true. As you can see, the saucer rim is way too small to accommodate that ridiculous set. It is a bit hard for me to understand why Berman insisted on stuffing that room in there when I totally provided many sizable window alcoves alluding to places of large social gatherings: restaurants, lounges, etc.



Below, you can see the windows provided for an Officer's Lounge which would have been perfect for a '10-forward'-sized space...



... but Producer Bob Justman had that set of windows (and many others) divided into smaller window sets, like the resulting odd block of windows below the saucer's shuttle bay.

Frustrating? Indeed, but I'm not the only person whose designs were/are not understood by "those in charge".

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PS: A good example of the actual blue & green panel coloring.
It would have been so great to have seen your version of these saucer-rim-rooms, but I think these large windows looks better divided into smaller ones...
But at least this little change didn't fuck your layout for the ship as that idiotic 10-Forward-set did.
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Old October 15 2008, 02:24 PM   #23
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The rim of the saucer isn't flat, it curves up to the edge. Hence the dual-level floor to help follow the curve.
Actually, it is flat. The only curve is the one the windows (on the miniature) follow.

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Part of the TV-set reason, I imagine, was to allow the windows to curve under the platform floor giving an impression of depth. Had they built it one-level-only on the stage floor they couldn't have done that. Hence the raised platform as an elegant solution to the design challenge.
If only they had done that (it wouldn't have fucked with the design too much). But the windows don't even reach the floor on the set.

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Old October 15 2008, 04:16 PM   #24
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Just to play devil's advocate, the Ten Forward set doesn't fit... but neither do the secondary shuttlebays. We can wave our hands and imagine the vertical outer wall and door as being inset from the angled outer hull and door, but what would be the point of such a discrepancy?
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Old October 15 2008, 05:16 PM   #25
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Just to play devil's advocate, the Ten Forward set doesn't fit... but neither do the secondary shuttlebays. We can wave our hands and imagine the vertical outer wall and door as being inset from the angled outer hull and door, but what would be the point of such a discrepancy?
I had always felt that thos were "loading bays", at the back of the shuttlebay spaces. This theory does of course ignore some of the visuals, but it makes sense from a technical standpoint.
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Old October 16 2008, 04:36 PM   #26
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The rim of the saucer isn't flat, it curves up to the edge. Hence the dual-level floor to help follow the curve.
Actually, it is flat. The only curve is the one the windows (on the miniature) follow.
Holy crap, you're right.

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Old October 16 2008, 06:11 PM   #27
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Hey, all,... maybe this will help-



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Old October 16 2008, 06:15 PM   #28
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Or this... ?



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Old October 16 2008, 07:24 PM   #29
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Hey, all,... maybe this will help-



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Or this... ?



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Old October 17 2008, 04:03 AM   #30
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I dunno. It *might* work.

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