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View Poll Results: Grade "Star Trek: Destiny: Gods of Night"
Excellent 105 68.63%
Above Average 36 23.53%
Average 8 5.23%
Below Average 2 1.31%
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Old October 5 2008, 04:01 AM   #136
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Dayton3 dislikes it.

Looks like Dave's got a winner on his hands!
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Old October 5 2008, 02:13 PM   #137
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Perhaps it is just because it is the first book in a trilogy but it seems like the book is 50 pages of plot surrounded by 300 pages of filler.

And for the Borg who are supposedly some awesome, destructive force they seem very vulnerable.

I mean come on, Starfleet destroys 11 Borg cube ships for the loss of only 12 starships. Enterprise blows the two Borg cubes it faces with utterly ridiculous ease.

If Starfleet was scoring that well against the Borg considering their previous encounters (especially in "Before Dishonor") then there would be dancing in the streets of San Francisco and Paris.
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Old October 5 2008, 03:52 PM   #138
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The many aliens in the crew of for that matter humans with very complex names often is a distraction.
It continues to astonish me that you watch or read Star Trek at all. What was that Santayana said about repeating the same action and expecting different results...?


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And for the Borg who are supposedly some awesome, destructive force they seem very vulnerable.

I mean come on, Starfleet destroys 11 Borg cube ships for the loss of only 12 starships. Enterprise blows the two Borg cubes it faces with utterly ridiculous ease.

If Starfleet was scoring that well against the Borg considering their previous encounters (especially in "Before Dishonor") then there would be dancing in the streets of San Francisco and Paris.
You seem to be forgetting that the Borg have thousands and thousands of cubes, and a total lack of reluctance to sacrifice their forces. Even if it comes down to a war of attrition, the Borg have the obvious advantage.

And it's very telling that even when you're given exactly what you've been clamoring for -- Starfleet winning battles with the Borg by conventional battle tactics -- you still find a way to perceive it as objectionable.
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Old October 5 2008, 03:52 PM   #139
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^ It doesn't matter what Santayana said - his name is too long.

So after moaning you want the Borg to be beaten by military tactics, we see a load of Borg ships destroyed by SPECIALLY DEVELOPED TORPEDOES, and somehow that's wrong?!

And what do you mean, 'the loss of only 12 ships'!? What about the entire planets and starbases!?
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Old October 5 2008, 05:13 PM   #140
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I'm not impressed.
Damn, and I had "Sunday" in the pool. Missed it by one day!
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Old October 5 2008, 05:23 PM   #141
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Dayton3, I'm sorry that the book didn't seem to work for you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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Old October 5 2008, 06:37 PM   #142
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Any 'casting options' on the crew of the Aventine, David? Would love to see who you're picturing for them like you did for the cast of Vanguard!
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Old October 5 2008, 07:38 PM   #143
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Dayton3, I'm sorry that the book didn't seem to work for you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Hey don't sweat it.

It wasn't all bad.

I liked how you had a ship that wasn't one of the featured "hero ships" score a big one against the Borg (U.S.S. Ranger).

And I bought the book and that is ultimately all that matters.
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Old October 5 2008, 07:57 PM   #144
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And I bought the book and that is ultimately all that matters.
Nah, not really. As unrealistic a goal as it might be, I believe most writers want to please everyone all the time (whether or not they want to admit it.).


(It's only when they sit alone in the dark, held in the comfortable embrace of their favorite bean-bag chair and drinking Wild Turkey straight from the bottle with a straw, that realization begins to set in.)
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Old October 5 2008, 10:40 PM   #145
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Any 'casting options' on the crew of the Aventine, David? Would love to see who you're picturing for them like you did for the cast of Vanguard!
Well, Ezri is already cast, obviously. As is Dr. Tarses.

For Bowers, I like Roger R. Cross. For Lonnoc Kedair, my preference would be Lena Headey. For Gruhn Helkara, maybe someone like Eric Balfour. I'd probably like to cast someone like Jenna Fischer as Mikaela Leishman, and in the role of Oliana Mirren, maybe Charlize Theron.

All of these are negotiable, of course, and I encourage readers to picture whomever works best for their imaginations, regardless of my preferences.
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Old October 5 2008, 11:12 PM   #146
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First off, my belated apologies to Allyn for my snarky reaction to his entirely correct criticism of the medical science in Gods of Night.

The fact is, medicine is not my forte, and genetics is even less so. In retrospect, I see that I made a scientific mistake; even more irksome to me, I made a dramatic mistake.

Only after reading the logical refutations of Troi's medical crisis and now Allyn's followup, I realize that instead of making this a strictly medical/scientific issue, I should have made it an ethical issue that examined the gray areas related to the Federation's aversion to genetic engineering on already-existing organisms.

C'est la vie. And, might I add .... darn.
Thank you very much for your kind reaction to my review. Hopefully it won`t be long until I get the second book of your trilogy.

I am not a doctor, too but I was thinking about the laws the Federation has against genetic engineering. I just wasn`t sure how much I can mention this in a review without crossing the line towards giving story ideas and therefore kept quiet about it.

I must admit, that Dr. Ree never mentioned anything about the legal side, meaning laws against genetic engineering, made me wonder. I was wondering if his attitude was just a lack of understanding what this baby means to Deanna and Riker but also some misplaced professional arrogance. Otherwise I would have expected something like: “I am sorry, I can`t help you because this is not my speciality. But I will contact (insert names here, maybe even Dr. Bashir) who might be able to”.

I only know this first book of the trilogy. Therefore I don`t know if there could be ways later to fix this. As I said in my review, I don`t think it is unrealistic that there might be problems that are very much hidden and a mystery even to a dedicated specialist.

Maybe the genetic engineering laws don`t apply if it is about repairing damage without any change of the original code, especially without any genetic enhancement. My impression from reading the book was that simple rearranging and replacing the holes in the genetic code using normal genetic material is not only possible but also legal.
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Old October 5 2008, 11:21 PM   #147
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And this dialogue just kills me

U.S.S. Titan CMO thinking about eating live meal in the mess:

"a little splatter never hurt anyone".

That is almost as bad as Greater Than The Sum

"the ship was hit and the consoles sparked"

What the.....
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Old October 6 2008, 12:20 AM   #148
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^ Your criticism is duly noted.
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Old October 6 2008, 06:11 AM   #149
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I actually find that Ree line rather amusing myself. But, then again I'm a bit weird when it comes to stuff like that, since I grew up watching my veternarian father do surgery.
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Old October 6 2008, 09:25 AM   #150
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I'm only about 80 pages in at the moment, but really enjoying things so far. It's interesting to get the different auras of the senior staff on each of the ships. Titan's staff has worked together for a year now, and that sense of comfort is clear, the Enterprise's staff is still new (as evidenced by the junior officer's uncertainty to Worf's compliments) but even after only a chapter (and probably partly because of discussions here) it feels like there's some sense of stability; that things won't be changing for at least a little while; whereas the Aventine's staff feels very fragmented and "new" in a sense. I'll be curious to see how this develops during the rest of the trilogy.

And after reading it for a second time, I am becoming really fond (if that's the right word...) of the Riker/Vale hug scene. A lot going on there, especially a lot that was implied about Vale's own sense of loss and I'm curious also to see where the "not entirely platonic" though/expression leads...
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