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Old September 29 2008, 09:59 PM   #46
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Re: Continuity Nazis: Your own personal canon.

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I had to look it up, so I thought you were serious.
If only...if only...
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Old September 29 2008, 09:59 PM   #47
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Re: Continuity Nazis: Your own personal canon.

if Marvel hadn't been in full panic mode, they could have blamed the recently released Shadow King for that mess... too bad Quesada spends most of his time thinking of brilliant plots like Brand New Day...
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Old September 29 2008, 10:11 PM   #48
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if Marvel hadn't been in full panic mode, they could have blamed the recently released Shadow King for that mess... too bad Quesada spends most of his time thinking of brilliant plots like Brand New Day...
You're asking too much, I think. Logic? From Quesada?

That's like asking for progress from DiDio.
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Old September 29 2008, 10:54 PM   #49
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Re: Continuity Nazis: Your own personal canon.

Oh god! Now I remember a horrible plot line from that...Xavier's spine...
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Old September 30 2008, 07:30 AM   #50
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Not to mention totally senseless and illogical on many levels.
Hardly, Morrison waved Xorn's true identity in our faces for almost his entire run. My reaction to the reveal, while not quite on the same level as "Okay, Echo just killed Elektra... Why is she green ? What's up with her ears... Hold on, that's a Skrull... Elektra's a Skrull ? Elektra's a f***ing Skrull ?!?!?" was still one of shock and amazement.

On another forum nearer the time we picked through everything that had happened on Morrison's run and never found one thing that Xorn did with his "gravity powers" that Magneto couldn't have done.
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Old September 30 2008, 06:02 PM   #51
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Not to mention totally senseless and illogical on many levels.
Hardly, Morrison waved Xorn's true identity in our faces for almost his entire run. My reaction to the reveal, while not quite on the same level as "Okay, Echo just killed Elektra... Why is she green ? What's up with her ears... Hold on, that's a Skrull... Elektra's a Skrull ? Elektra's a f***ing Skrull ?!?!?" was still one of shock and amazement.

On another forum nearer the time we picked through everything that had happened on Morrison's run and never found one thing that Xorn did with his "gravity powers" that Magneto couldn't have done.
But...using Emma's powers, Cyclops COLLAPSED XORN'S NON-EXISTENT STAR BRAIN INTO A BLACK HOLE. Shouldn't Magneto be brain dead? And he also telepathically taught him ENGLISH -- a language he already knew. My brain hurts just thinking about that.

EDIT: I also find it remarkably stupid that no matter how much Magneto hates humans that he'd put them in concentration camps. I mean...really. Really. Seriously?
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Old September 30 2008, 06:12 PM   #52
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^Using which of Emma's powers, exactly ? Neither are telekinetic and Magneto had the best teacher in the world when it comes to blocking telepathic powers.

Magneto having been held in concentration camp increases rather than the chances of him doing it to humans.
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Old September 30 2008, 06:28 PM   #53
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^Using which of Emma's powers, exactly ? Neither are telekinetic and Magneto had the best teacher in the world when it comes to blocking telepathic powers.
I made no mention of telekinesis, and yes, Magneto if anyone would be able to block it, but his brain at the time of the New X-Men 2001 Annual clearly registered as a star. The Magneto stuff that started popping up just a little later on strikes me as revisionist thinking, possibly brought on by Morrison's drug use.

Magneto having been held in concentration camp increases rather than the chances of him doing it to humans.
Maybe, but it's also remarkably short-sighted. Say it hadn't been stopped and one kid survives before the camps are liberated, then grows up to pass Project Wideawake in the Senate as vengeance against Magneto killing his family. It's an endless cycle, and Magneto is much smarter than that. In fact, his tactical ability (when he's written well) should be on par with Steve Rogers and Nick Fury, not a genocidal Elmer Fudd.
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Old September 30 2008, 09:42 PM   #54
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Re: Continuity Nazis: Your own personal canon.

I can't believe no one has retconned Norman's kids with Gwen yet! Although I think I did see no JMS on Spider-Man...I would go further and suggest no Joe Q interfering or suggesting plots or story arcs that further go to inflame fans alike!

I actually like what Geoff Johns has done on Action Comics and Green Lantern...

Batman R.I.P. is your typical weird ass Grant Morrison story that results in splitting fandom, I'm digging it so far. Although I agree about the Damian thing...although Morrison admitted he hadn't known that Bruce and Taila had consenual sex in Son of the Demon and he wasn't drugged.

New X-Men whether anyone likes it or not helped the sales on the slumping franchise. Do you remember the god awful lag we were in on both Spider-Man and X-Men prior to Grant Morrison and JMS coming on board...granted some of those stories were disapointing. How the hell many times can you kill Jean Grey and bring her back? Emma Frost brought a new dimention to Scott never mind how it happened. I hated the Spider Tomb storyline and the Other...doesn't matter now that Brand New Day essentially reversed those events and made them irrevelent.
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Old September 30 2008, 09:57 PM   #55
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Is it wrong that I don't even read X-Men but that entry made my head spin?
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Old September 30 2008, 10:40 PM   #56
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Re: Continuity Nazis: Your own personal canon.

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I can't believe no one has retconned Norman's kids with Gwen yet!
I did! you people just ignore me

Wait, that might have been in the other Spider - Man thread.

I don't mind JMS as badly as many people do.

I hated Ezekial and the Others so badly. I think that's where Spider - Man really dropped off.
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Old September 30 2008, 10:43 PM   #57
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I can't believe no one has retconned Norman's kids with Gwen yet! Although I think I did see no JMS on Spider-Man...I would go further and suggest no Joe Q interfering or suggesting plots or story arcs that further go to inflame fans alike!
In JMS's defense he wanted the kids to be Peter and Gwen's. Still a bad idea but not as bad as when Joey Q got his hands on it and ordered him to make the dad Norman because this would suggest Peter was "old". Quesada hates true love and especially marriage and this was his attempt to shit all over Gwen Stacy's memory.

I actually like what Geoff Johns has done on Action Comics and Green Lantern...
So do I overall. Sinestro Corp was fucking bad ass. I like the way he brought back the epic mythology. I just think Hal is such a blah character and he could have done all he wanted to do with Kyle instead, a character I find much more interesting and has much more potential for growth.

Batman R.I.P. is your typical weird ass Grant Morrison story that results in splitting fandom, I'm digging it so far. Although I agree about the Damian thing...although Morrison admitted he hadn't known that Bruce and Taila had consenual sex in Son of the Demon and he wasn't drugged.
Typical in that it's just a glorified love letter to himself. To me he wrote some pretentious crap, had a Justice League run, then wrote more pretentious crap. The guy is his own biggest fan and genuinely believes he is the end all be all of comic book writers. I almost prefer Winnick, because yes the Jason Todd thing was horrible, but at least Winnick isn't dangerously in love with himself to the point of meglomania.

New X-Men whether anyone likes it or not helped the sales on the slumping franchise. Do you remember the god awful lag we were in on both Spider-Man and X-Men prior to Grant Morrison and JMS coming on board...granted some of those stories were disapointing. How the hell many times can you kill Jean Grey and bring her back? Emma Frost brought a new dimention to Scott never mind how it happened. I hated the Spider Tomb storyline and the Other...doesn't matter now that Brand New Day essentially reversed those events and made them irrevelent.
It could have been nothing but blank pages and it still would have sold well based on his name alone. Turning the voice of morality of the team into a moral degenerate and shitting on 30 years of character continuity and mythology isn't something I particularly enjoyed. It's like Superman leaving Lois for Poison Ivy. Fuck Grant Morrison.
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It's like Superman leaving Lois for Poison Ivy.
Emma had been good (albeit hard-edged) for about ten years before Morrison put her on the team.
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Old October 1 2008, 01:27 AM   #59
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It's like Superman leaving Lois for Poison Ivy.
Emma had been good (albeit hard-edged) for about ten years before Morrison put her on the team.
Emma isn't good. Far from it. In D/D she is what is called "Lawful Evil".
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She's an anti-hero, like Wolverine, from the perspective of someone who was much more consciously a villain in the past and still prefers some of their methods.
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