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Old September 24 2008, 02:51 AM   #46
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^^^Thanks for posting that, Trevanian. It's funny how contradictory this stuff is. One source says there was a script, another says there was a treatment. Curiouser and curiouser.

Back to Bryant and Scott. Susan Sackett quotes a few of their memos. Here's a funny one.

An earlier storyline had the Enterprise emerging millions of years in the future. Ever the humorists, Bryant and Scott sent the following memo under the guise of Gulf and Western's chairman:

TO: GENE RODDENBERRY
FROM: C. BLUHDORN

It is my policy not to interfere in creative decision processes and this is merely to record my enthusiasm for the story which I read last week. May I, however, ask that in the final sequence when the Enterprise arrives at Earth several millions years in the future there be some indication that the solar system is principally owned by Gulf and Western. Nothing ostentatious, mind you, but just the subtlest of hints to this effect. Keep up the good work.


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I'm forced to wonder if Gene might not have used this as a sort of "work from this direction" sort of thing when they were developing the Galaxy-class for TNG cause there's several things on this proto-design that I can see probably getting incorporated later into the Galaxy-class.
I don't think so. The "D" was inspired by a sketch of Andy Probert's of a ship with low slung flattened nacelles.

Back to the topic at hand...
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Old September 24 2008, 03:29 AM   #47
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yet despite all this, Roddenberry remained optimistic. 'I'm very pleased with the way the film is going,' he enthused at the time.
What a coincidence...

The first 3 words of that sentence are Rick Berman's favorite words.
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Old September 24 2008, 03:36 AM   #48
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There's nothing wrong with being very pleased. It's only when someone beats that phrase into the ground while Rome burns around them that it becomes a punchline.
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Old September 24 2008, 04:17 AM   #49
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I'm forced to wonder if Gene might not have used this as a sort of "work from this direction" sort of thing when they were developing the Galaxy-class for TNG cause there's several things on this proto-design that I can see probably getting incorporated later into the Galaxy-class.




I love this asteroid docking bay and hope it gets used someday in Star Trek.


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Old September 24 2008, 05:04 AM   #50
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^^^Yep, the inspiration there is pretty clear. In fact, it's almost too close to have been coincidence. Ironically, I think the painting version still looks cooler.
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Old September 24 2008, 06:43 AM   #51
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There's nothing wrong with being very pleased. It's only when someone beats that phrase into the ground while Rome burns around them that it becomes a punchline.
Considering Roddenberry said it just before the production of the film went down in flames... Glad to see the phrase has a provenience.

Gene Roddenberry wrote:
The concept that only a science fiction writer can write science fiction motion pictures is ridiculous. Look at me. I came up with STAR TREK, and I was a dramatic writer. I wrote for TV.'
He certainly was full of his own accomplishments, wasn't he?
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Old September 24 2008, 08:11 AM   #52
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Well the most striking thing about this "idea" is when I was with another Star Trek fan and we listening to tunes in the car. The song that came up was "Cygnus X-1" from Rush, so I started explaining the song, and its sequel "Hemispheres." The two tracks have a very similar premise to this series.
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Old September 24 2008, 10:11 AM   #53
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Well the most striking thing about this "idea" is when I was with another Star Trek fan and we listening to tunes in the car. The song that came up was "Cygnus X-1" from Rush, so I started explaining the song, and its sequel "Hemispheres." The two tracks have a very similar premise to this series.
And what "series" are you talking about?

I'm quite familiar with both songs. In fact, a friend of mine wanted to do an animated film to the former.

Their similarity to the premise seems limited to someone going into a black hole and ending up in the distant past and affecting human history: which means they have a punchline in common, not a story.

It should be pointed out that both songs were released (Sept. 1977 and and October 1978, respectively) after Planet of the Titans was aborted, lest anyone think there was borrowing going on.
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Old September 24 2008, 01:23 PM   #54
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Well the most striking thing about this "idea" is when I was with another Star Trek fan and we listening to tunes in the car. The song that came up was "Cygnus X-1" from Rush, so I started explaining the song, and its sequel "Hemispheres." The two tracks have a very similar premise to this series.
And what "series" are you talking about?

I'm quite familiar with both songs. In fact, a friend of mine wanted to do an animated film to the former.

Their similarity to the premise seems limited to someone going into a black hole and ending up in the distant past and affecting human history: which means they have a punchline in common, not a story.

It should be pointed out that both songs were released (Sept. 1977 and and October 1978, respectively) after Planet of the Titans was aborted, lest anyone think there was borrowing going on.
Are any of the musicians Bay Area based? I mean, the mythological aspect sounds Kaufmannesque, and the logic-emotion division mentioned in the wiki thread you cited certainly sounds like something at the heart of traditional trek.
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Old September 24 2008, 06:38 PM   #55
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^^^Yep, the inspiration there is pretty clear. In fact, it's almost too close to have been coincidence. Ironically, I think the painting version still looks cooler.

So do I because the PoT painting appears to be more than just a spacedock, but an entire space habitat.
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Old September 24 2008, 06:44 PM   #56
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It is always nice to see more on ST:POTT around here, but I have to point out here like I did in an earlier thread that the source of the Enterprise redesign was inspired by North American Aviation's XB-70 Valkyire and not Star Wars' Star Destroyer. Hence the "McQuarrieprise" can also be thought of as the "Valkyrieprise".
I love the XB-70 Valkyrie's design, and have several books on it.

On the other hand, while there's a similarity, I have to question the veracity of the statement that the "source of the Enterprise redesign was inspired by" it. Is there factual information to back this up, or is it just logical supposition? I hate to be hard-nosed about this, but I'm trying to get the record straight here (as much as possible), and this project has enough myth and supposition around it without adding to it, so, if you've got a source, I'd love to hear it.
Even those six impulse engines and the elongated dorsal don't convince you?

I admit I should have stated it better, but since Ralph McQuarrie's early works were largely aircraft paintings might I dare suggest contacting the source? info@ralphmcquarrie.com
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Old September 24 2008, 08:48 PM   #57
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I love the XB-70 Valkyrie's design, and have several books on it.

On the other hand, while there's a similarity, I have to question the veracity of the statement that the "source of the Enterprise redesign was inspired by" it. Is there factual information to back this up, or is it just logical supposition? I hate to be hard-nosed about this, but I'm trying to get the record straight here (as much as possible), and this project has enough myth and supposition around it without adding to it, so, if you've got a source, I'd love to hear it.
Even those six impulse engines and the elongated dorsal don't convince you?

I admit I should have stated it better, but since Ralph McQuarrie's early works were largely aircraft paintings might I dare suggest contacting the source? info@ralphmcquarrie.com
Yes, the phrasing was the problem. It's one thing to say "the similiarities and McQuarrie's aviation art background make a strong circumstantial case that this might have influenced the ship's design" and saying "the source of the Enterprise redesign was inspired by North American Aviation's XB-70 Valkyire". Some will take the latter statement as factual, when it's (logical) supposition, and there's already far too much supposition in film history and about Planet of the Titans already. That's why I'm being so hard-nosed in this thread about sources. Nothing personal.

I'll try contacting McQuarrie again, but I already tried that in the past and never got a reply from his people (someone I know who sent copies of material in for the Art of book says Ralph doesn't do email). But I'll take another shot.
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Old September 25 2008, 07:39 AM   #58
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(someone I know who sent copies of material in for the Art if book says Ralph doesn't do email).
Which is why he has an email address on his website?
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Old September 25 2008, 07:52 AM   #59
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(someone I know who sent copies of material in for the Art if book says Ralph doesn't do email).
Which is why he has an email address on his website?
You'll notice the email is info@ralphmcquarrie.com and not a name. He's got someone who runs the site for him, apparently.

I checked my old email... I sent an email to that address 4 years ago, got a reply that said my message was passed on to Ralph, and I never heard another thing. *shrug*
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I sent something to his site last year, asking if they might caption those trek pics, and got a reply from whoever does the site, saying that was part of the ongoing process, but no further elaboration, although I asked a few other questions as well. Might be a part-time thing.

I had his home phone number back in 95 when I was doing a retrospective on the first SW, but I guess he is seriously press-shy; he never responded to any interview inquiries.
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