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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 12 2008, 03:30 AM   #16
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Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI

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On later viewing I noticed crewmen Burke and Samno, when the klingons just arrived on board Enterprise, complaining about klingon hygiene etc. Suddenly they bump into val'eris, which asks: "don't you men have work".
I'm not quite sure if I interpreted correctly, but I'm pretty sure she told them to get on with boarding the klingon ship.
Wow! I never put that together before. You've just improved this film for me, and I already loved it. Thanks!

I never realized, until I read it here a while ago, that the character Col. West was a reference to Col. Oliver North, who had garnered some notariaty at the time.
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Old September 12 2008, 08:44 PM   #17
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On later viewing I noticed crewmen Burke and Samno, when the klingons just arrived on board Enterprise, complaining about klingon hygiene etc. Suddenly they bump into val'eris, which asks: "don't you men have work".
I'm not quite sure if I interpreted correctly, but I'm pretty sure she told them to get on with boarding the klingon ship.
Wow! I never put that together before. You've just improved this film for me, and I already loved it. Thanks!
Have you got to the realization about why Valeris shoots a phaser in the galley rather than just reminding Chekov about the alarm?
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Old September 12 2008, 09:01 PM   #18
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No, why is that? To have an excuse for her 'prints' being on it or something?
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Old September 16 2008, 03:57 PM   #19
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I never noticed the Cartwright stuff, but I was hip to Valeris pretty quick when she snuck up on Kirk's quarters and later when she was loitering around the transporter room.

I was 11 and didn't catch much subtlety at the time but saw the sure fire stuff.
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Old September 16 2008, 08:52 PM   #20
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Yeah, I never thought there was the least amount of doubt that Valeris was the traitor (once it was established that there, in fact, was a traitor). I was astounded when I realized there was supposed to be suspense about the issue. It's one of the only things about The Undiscovered Country that doesn't quite gel for me.
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Old September 17 2008, 09:10 AM   #21
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It would have been so much better had they used the established "good guy" character of Saavik for that...

I mean, she would still have been automatically more suspect than the main heroes, but at least there would have been some sort of emotional significance to her turning to the dark side.

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Old September 17 2008, 03:40 PM   #22
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Yeah, I would have hated that they'd done that with Saavik, but it would have given more consequence to the storyline, and a lot more emotional weight to Spock's interrogation and overall sense of betrayal.
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Old September 17 2008, 07:58 PM   #23
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It would have been so much better had they used the established "good guy" character of Saavik for that...

I mean, she would still have been automatically more suspect than the main heroes, but at least there would have been some sort of emotional significance to her turning to the dark side.

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I would have had saavik turn traitor, but I would have also had Valaris show up as a new character and the new protege of spock and younger than saavik. Both of them would have been on the enterprise, with one setting the other to look like the traitor and the two constantly having a bit of hostility between the two but hiding it in front of spock...

Would have made the enterprise part of the story much more interesting.
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