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Old September 9 2008, 10:35 PM   #16
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Re: Spider-Man 4 &5 to get underway with Sam and Tobey signed?!?

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Honestly, I've gone from greatly anticipating the next sequel after Spider-Man 2 to not really caring anymore after Spider-Man 3. They pretty much screwed eveything up, from the backstory of Venom, one of my favourite villains, to discarding all the positive character development of Mary Jane from the previous films. The damage is done.

It is true, I will be excited later but for now, my excitement for the next movie is almost nothing compared to how excited I was for Spiderman 3

Why did they have to do it? huh? why???
You idiots!!! You finally did it!!!
Damn you! Damn you all to hell!!!
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Old September 9 2008, 11:05 PM   #17
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Re: Spider-Man 4 &5 to get underway with Sam and Tobey signed?!?

I'm not sure how I feel about Spidey 4&5 after Spidey 3 which I laughed at a lot (and not in a good way).
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Old September 9 2008, 11:11 PM   #18
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I'm not sure how I feel about Spidey 4&5 after Spidey 3 which I laughed at a lot (and not in a good way).

Exactly how I feel, slightly ambigous given the atrocity that was Spidey 3.
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Old September 9 2008, 11:25 PM   #19
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Does this mean that Spiderman will have to pull off his mask again during a fight scene? If it does than maybe they shoulda recast Tobey as well. I dont want to see his face when hes got the suit on. That was probably the hard deal Tobey was angeling for...

Studio: How much money do you want to do Spidey 4 and 5?

Tobey: Well I dont want more money...But I want it in my contract that I can pull off the Spidey mask anytime I see fit. I mean thats why the fans come to these movies right? To see my face???

Studio: Umm No! You dum bass!!!
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Old September 10 2008, 06:43 AM   #20
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I say recast MJ with someone more suited for the role. Rachel Nichols or Nikki Cox maybe. Keep them broken up for a while. Bring in Black Cat or Gwen Stacy. If it's Stacy then bring back Norman and have her die tragically like in the comics. Then after that, get Peter and MJ back together.
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Old September 16 2008, 05:31 PM   #21
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Re: Spider-Man 4 &5 to get underway with Sam and Tobey signed?!?

Its a mere 8 days later(no need for new thread) and now its official, for Tobey anyway.

Tobey Maguire will be Peter Parker/Spiderman in installments 4&5 to shoot back-to-back. His paycheck a cool $50m plus possible back end profits.

In a victory for working fathers in Hollywood, the actor Tobey Maguire has been granted “family time” with his young daughter as part of an unprecedented deal to star in the next two Spider-Man movies.
Maguire was willing to shoot Spider-Man 4 and 5 back-to-back over six months next year but insisted he should take early mornings and evenings off so he could play with his “favourite blonde”, Ruby Sweetheart, who is 22 months old.
The 33-year-old actor is expected to earn a record $50m (£28m) in salary and profit shares from the two films, substantially more than Keanu Reeves earned when he shot the last two Matrix films back-to-back. Reeves complained that it left him exhausted.
Until recently it was uncertain whether Maguire would put on the Spider-Man suit again, and Sony had drawn up a list of alternative actors before Maguire’s agents came back to the negotiating table.
Sony, which declined to comment, is thought to have been wary of allowing “family time” because it could set a precedent. Finally its chairman, Amy Pascal, herself a mother, stepped in, saying six months without family time would not be fair on any parent.
In the next few days Sony is expected to reveal whether Maguire’s ex-girlfriend Kirsten Dunst will be returning as his on-screen love interest, Mary Jane Watson. Dunst, 26, has recently talked about a struggle with clinical depression.
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So Kirsten Dunst will be decided soon("in a few days"), maybe by weeks end even. Her personal life is so screwed up that while I don't see her as that great an actress, let alone the best MJ there is a part of me that would like to see her back if only for consistency.

What the article doesn't elude to however is Sam Raimi. I'd like to know that as well. They tease us with word that Kirsten's deal is being examined but not the same with Sam?

Looking out long term then it seems Marvel will be very well represented during calendar year 2010/2011. Iron Man 2 will hit for sure in 2010. Thor and Captain America are suppossed to be ready as well although news is sketchy on start dates, Ant-Man as well. Spiderman 4 will most likely be ready for 2010 with Spiderman 5 in 2011 when an Avengers movie is on the calendar. Not to mention the "what if" of Fox rebooting Daredevil and Ghost Rider 2 being considered. Maybe a Wolverine Origins 2 in 2011 as well. I toss these all out to say that Marvel should be very busy with properties on the big screen.
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Old September 16 2008, 05:41 PM   #22
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I don't get why Sony would do this.

The character of Spider-Man is bigger than Sam Raimi and bigger than Toby Maguire. Raimi screwed up the last movie and I submit that Maguire doesn't even qualify as a fan favorite like Bale.

And why pay Maguire all this coin? Maybe Superman needs perfect casting, but for Spider-Man, there are many lesser-known actors who could take the role and run with it...all for lesser coin.

Given Spider-Man 3's critical drubbing (I don't care how much it made) you'd think it'd be the perfect time to start fresh with a new cast and crew.
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Old September 16 2008, 09:20 PM   #23
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Raimi only "screwed up the last movie" because he was forced to include Venom against his original wishes, which threw off the rhythm of the entire story. If left to his own devices, we'd have had a movie about Sandman and Harry Osborn, which would have been much more balanced and felt a lot less crowded. I'm all for giving Raimi another shot (if he's even interested, that is).
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Old September 16 2008, 09:25 PM   #24
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^ Agreed. Raimi didn't want anything to do with Venom.

Also, IIRC, weren't the Stacys put in by Marvel's decree as well? There was a plot-line that could've been skipped for sure. The only purpose Gwen served (other than being a hottie) was for the scene where Peter tries to make MJ jealous, and they could've used the already established Betty Brant or the landlord's daughter for that.
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Old September 16 2008, 10:08 PM   #25
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Exactly.
Raimi was "convinced" to use Venom and the Stacy's by corporate decree. One could easily read between the lines in those interviews where he said things to the effect, "after listening to what the character was about and their ideas for the character I found Venom to be an interesting character"[paraphrase]. When prior interviews had him explicitly state his non-desire for the character.

If he had done the film he wanted it not only would've been deeper on the Harry/Peter story but would've had Vulture in some capacity.

I'm confident that if Sony and Avi Arad allow him to make the movies that he did with Spidey 1&2 then we will have a great 2pt story. However, with $50m already tied up in Tobey I see executive oversight as being very real.
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Old September 16 2008, 10:49 PM   #26
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Re: Spider-Man 4 &5 to get underway with Sam and Tobey signed?!?

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Exactly.
Raimi was "convinced" to use Venom and the Stacy's by corporate decree. One could easily read between the lines in those interviews where he said things to the effect, "after listening to what the character was about and their ideas for the character I found Venom to be an interesting character"[paraphrase]. When prior interviews had him explicitly state his non-desire for the character.

If he had done the film he wanted it not only would've been deeper on the Harry/Peter story but would've had Vulture in some capacity.

I'm confident that if Sony and Avi Arad allow him to make the movies that he did with Spidey 1&2 then we will have a great 2pt story. However, with $50m already tied up in Tobey I see executive oversight as being very real.
So was that Jazz Song and Dance number by studio decree as well?
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Old September 16 2008, 10:57 PM   #27
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^^^
well it was an extension of the symbiote so by extension I guess it was.
*I know your joking*
Hated that scene as well as Emo Peter bouncing down the sidewalk
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Old September 16 2008, 11:26 PM   #28
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I've long heard that Raimi was supposedly "strong armed" into including Venom and if true it just doesn't change anything.

I don't care if Venom was forced upon him...if he can't come up with a better introduction to the character than through a meteorite that just happens to contain a deadly alien creature that just happens to land right next to the main protagonist, then come on...that's not even B-movie level plotting. I can accept plot contrivances in films, but there's just no excuse for that crap.

That's just one example. Look at all the other things...oh-so convenient (and ultra-cliched) memory loss...embarrassingly EMO Parker...incessantly crying Parker...all-knowing Butler who comes out of nowhere...it goes on and on.

Does he deserve all the blame for this fiasco? Probably not...but it's still his responsibility to deliver a quality product. I mean, the guy directed this film and wrote at least a big chunk of it, and surely that has to count for something.

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Old September 16 2008, 11:30 PM   #29
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Yeah I think everyone had a good cry at least once. I think even J. Jonah was blubbering like a baby once.
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Old September 16 2008, 11:56 PM   #30
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So Sony is going to film 4 & 5 back to back...? Why the hell didn't they adopt this idea during the pre-production of 3? That way Raimi could have done his Sandman/Harry film and woven in plot elements for Venom, like the gradual introduction of Eddie Brock and the black suit, so he could be the primary villain in the fourth movie.
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