Data - B4 Question - Page 6

wizkid · September 7 2008, 11:48 PM

Therin of Andor wrote:

ancient wrote:

Well, all I can say is, leaving B-4 as a veggie is about the most boring route to take

How many plot threads do you want the post-NEM to balance at once? Seems to me the character is waiting in the wings, and will emerge when an author decides they want to tackle B-4's story.

Yes, after 50 more Borg stories...

In the meantime, the Kingons, Romulans, and Vulcans ask what a Borg is.

EJD1984 · September 8 2008, 12:53 AM

RobertVA wrote:

EJD1984 wrote:

There are a couple of other options that poped into my lil' old head.

1. After Data turned off Lore. Was it ever mentioned whatever happed to Lore's parts? I doubt Data left him behind (fear of possibility reassembly). Lore was most likely put in a storage container somewhere. The Daystrom Inst. could eventually come into possession of Lore, and try a drastic experiment - Wipe Lore's processor clean, and try to download Data from B4. It'd be an interesting concept to explore - Data exploring remorse that Lore was totally sacrificed to being Data back, along with ghost flashes of Lore within Data's matrix. (Just a thought)...

But deactivating Lore is the equivalent to putting a biological being in long term stasis. There's still some slim prospect someone in the future might find a way to safely rehabilitate him. We're not even sure member planets allow capital punishment. Unless you found some way to back Lore up in some other device, overwriting Lore's personality with some combination of his "brothers" and "niece" would amout to execution. Even backing his personality up and replacing his personality could be considered slavery.

I wasn't suggesting that the procedure would be fully sanctioned/legal by Starfleet. (added drama/conflict).

leandar · September 8 2008, 02:27 PM

Dayton Ward wrote:

^ Sure, that's possible...but that's not "bringing Data back," which is where this thread started.

Which, for some reason, I still expect to happen, eventually. Don't know why, it's just a gut feeling, I guess.

Vendikarr · September 8 2008, 02:32 PM

Christopher wrote:

I'll reiterate what was stated in another thread: The only thing anyone can accomplish by suggesting a story idea on the BBS is ensuring that it will never be done. Talking about whether Data should be brought back is one thing, but talking about how to bring him back is crossing the line into story ideas and should be avoided.

If this is the case, let me put this out there so it never happens.

Data never died. At the last possible moment, he was plucked out of the timestream by one of the factions of the temporal cold war, who had a need for his vast knowledge and his problem-solving ability. After determining that he was being used for a less than noble purpose, he manages to escape by using the time travel device, and he returns to his shipmates in the 24th century.

EJD1984 · September 8 2008, 06:23 PM

leandar wrote:

Dayton Ward wrote:

^ Sure, that's possible...but that's not "bringing Data back," which is where this thread started.

Which, for some reason, I still expect to happen, eventually. Don't know why, it's just a gut feeling, I guess.

For all of the other Trek characters that have come back to life in the novels - I just can't believe that one of Star Trek's most popular characters (next to Spock - IMOP), hasn't been resurrected yet.

Unless it's in the works on someone's laptop I type.

Christopher · September 8 2008, 06:40 PM

EJD1984 wrote:

For all of the other Trek characters that have come back to life in the novels - I just can't believe that one of Star Trek's most popular characters (next to Spock - IMOP), hasn't been resurrected yet.

"All the other characters?" Of the characters who died onscreen and weren't resurrected onscreen, the only ones I'm aware of who've been brought back in the novels are Kirk and Trip -- and Trip didn't provably, conclusively die onscreen at all. Tasha is still dead in the books, Jadzia is still dead in the books, as are Admiral Forrest, Matt Decker, Khan, Terrell, David Marcus, Gowron, Dukat, Winn, Joe Carey, and countless others.

So there is no standard practice of resurrecting the dead in the books. Indeed, the books have killed off more canon characters than they've brought back.

kc5hwb · September 8 2008, 07:33 PM

I for one hope they bring Data back.. but with everyone talking about it like this, I think they will draw it out as far as they can.

spock1974 · September 16 2008, 12:21 AM

If B-4's slowness is due to less advanced hardware compared to data then surely it would be possible for Maddox to give him some kind of hardware upgrade? After all Maddox (and presumably his colleagues) have been studying Data for years, as well as Lore and Lal. I find it hard to believe that after all those years of study that they would not be able to make some kind of modifcations to B-4 to speed him up to Data's level! If not then maybe its time for Maddox to get the sack and let someone else have a try!

RandyS · September 16 2008, 01:15 AM

saul wrote:

Poor Data (B-4). Trip, Spock, Kirk (and maybe in future Janeway?) all come back from the dead but Mr. Data isn't allowed to.

Yeah, it stinks. What I love about the novels is that they can tell any story from any time period, so I'm hoping the TNG line will soon return to the seven year period of the series, so Data is alive, and part of the books.

At least occasionally. The TNG novels should do both eras, their series, and their movies, like TOS does.

And what REALLY chaps my hide is they resurrect that idiot Trip but leave Data dead..........

KRAD · September 16 2008, 02:57 AM

If you want to read recent TNG stories with Data, check out the anthology The Sky's the Limit (which covers the adventures of the TNG crew across the seven seasons of the show and through all the movies and has plenty of Data) and the eBook miniseries Slings and Arrows, which are six stories that take place in the year between the launch of the Enterprise-E and First Contact.

RandyS · September 16 2008, 03:39 AM

KRAD wrote:

If you want to read recent TNG stories with Data, check out the anthology The Sky's the Limit (which covers the adventures of the TNG crew across the seven seasons of the show and through all the movies and has plenty of Data) and the eBook miniseries Slings and Arrows, which are six stories that take place in the year between the launch of the Enterprise-E and First Contact.

I read The Sky's the Limit last Christmas. Great book.

Wasn't Slings and Arrows the eBook series that follows the TOS guys? Isn't that the one that was released during the 40th anniversary?

Dayton Ward · September 16 2008, 03:41 AM

^ The TOS e-Book mini-series is Mere Anarchy (due out in trade paperback, March 2009!)

KRAD · September 16 2008, 03:45 AM

RandyS wrote:

Wasn't Slings and Arrows the eBook series that follows the TOS guys? Isn't that the one that was released during the 40th anniversary?

Nope, as Dayton said, you're thinking of Mere Anarchy. Slings and Arrows is a TNG six-eBook miniseries that was released for that show's 20th anniversary in 2007 and covered, as I said, the year leading up to First Contact. A print compilation has yet to be scheduled, so right now the only way to read it is in electronic form.

The six stories are by J. Steven York & Christina F. York, Phaedra M. Weldon, William Leisner, Terri Osborne, Robert Greenberger, and some hack with four initials....

Marco Palmieri · September 16 2008, 01:24 PM

KRAD wrote:

If you want to read recent TNG stories with Data, check out the anthology The Sky's the Limit (which covers the adventures of the TNG crew across the seven seasons of the show and through all the movies and has plenty of Data) and the eBook miniseries Slings and Arrows, which are six stories that take place in the year between the launch of the Enterprise-E and First Contact.

Also The Buried Age by Christopher L. Bennett.

RandyS · September 16 2008, 05:07 PM

Dayton Ward wrote:

^ The TOS e-Book mini-series is Mere Anarchy (due out in trade paperback, March 2009!)

Ah yes. I remember now.

Thanks.

September 8 2008, 07:33 PM	#82
kc5hwb Lieutenant	Re: Data - B4 Question I for one hope they bring Data back.. but with everyone talking about it like this, I think they will draw it out as far as they can.

September 16 2008, 12:21 AM	#83
spock1974 Cadet	Re: Data - B4 Question If B-4's slowness is due to less advanced hardware compared to data then surely it would be possible for Maddox to give him some kind of hardware upgrade? After all Maddox (and presumably his colleagues) have been studying Data for years, as well as Lore and Lal. I find it hard to believe that after all those years of study that they would not be able to make some kind of modifcations to B-4 to speed him up to Data's level! If not then maybe its time for Maddox to get the sack and let someone else have a try!

September 16 2008, 02:57 AM	#85
KRAD Keith R.A. DeCandido Location: New York City	Re: Data - B4 Question If you want to read recent TNG stories with Data, check out the anthology The Sky's the Limit (which covers the adventures of the TNG crew across the seven seasons of the show and through all the movies and has plenty of Data) and the eBook miniseries Slings and Arrows, which are six stories that take place in the year between the launch of the Enterprise-E and First Contact. __________________ Keith R.A. DeCandido Blog \| Facebook \| Twitter "Even when you turn your back, you're facing something."

September 16 2008, 03:41 AM	#87
Dayton Ward Word Pusher	Re: Data - B4 Question ^ The TOS e-Book mini-series is Mere Anarchy (due out in trade paperback, March 2009!) __________________ www.daytonward.com "tlhingAn HoL, Mother F*cker! Do you speak it?!"

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