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View Poll Results: Grade "The Queen"
Fully Powered 3 ZPMs 4 5.88%
Excellent 13 19.12%
Above Average 29 42.65%
Average 18 26.47%
Below Average 4 5.88%
Terrible, Terrible 0 0%
Even a Wraith Won't Feed On It 0 0%
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Old September 13 2008, 06:51 AM   #1
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Grade 5x08 - "The Queen"

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Old September 13 2008, 06:55 AM   #2
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I thought it was great. Granted, they had their typical cliches, such as Wraith plan not going as plan and Ronan being right (although, in fairness, everyone agreed with him), but I thought the character interaction and Teyla as the Queen worked really, really well. Definitely, one of the better episodes this season.
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Old September 13 2008, 08:12 AM   #3
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Above Average - All due to Todd. And in fairness Teyla was not bad either. Their interplay of continuing to "altering the agreement" was great.

So was it just cosmetic surgery? I would be disappointed if this did not have any after-effects in the way Teyla behaves.

In a way this episode closely mirrored the ST:TNG episode "Face of the Enemy", with Troi impersonating a Romulan officer.

BTW, they unfortunately used the short intro sequence again... been a while since they did that.
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Old September 13 2008, 08:13 AM   #4
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1. I guess all the queens don't look alike anymore. Pity, I really liked the actress whose played them for the past several seasons.

2. Teyla actually acting like a Queen took Todd by surprise in the end. That was a fun twist. Todd couldn't stop the attack without being revealed as a traitor and Teyla acted exactly like a Queen should act. She actually did a remarkably convincing job of it, although I do wish that she had been the one to kill the other ship captain instead of Todd.
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Old September 13 2008, 08:33 AM   #5
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Re: Grade 5x08 - "The Queen"

What everyone else has said: Teyla as queen = WIN! and Todd continues to be awesome. They should have gotten their own show set aboard a Hive ship; it could be a Wraith domestic comedy and focus on their attempts to outmaneuver those pesky humans!
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Old September 13 2008, 09:59 AM   #6
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Re: Grade 5x08 - "The Queen"

One thing I noticed....where is Woolsey? He's been only mentioned in name in the last 2 eps.
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Old September 13 2008, 12:28 PM   #7
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I haven't watched this yet, but what happened to the title sequence ? They seem to have gone back to the quick five second titles they used a few seasons ago with the cast credits overlayed over the episode.
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Old September 13 2008, 01:14 PM   #8
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If I could have split my vote, I'd have given it 3 ZPMs for the concept, but they were relying on Rachel to pull it off, so it gets a below average for lack of credibility.

Teyla couldn't have convinced her kid -- much less another queen -- that she was a WQ. So it loses points for plot device: The Primary (who must have been one of the slower kids in school) believes Teyla is a WQ because the script says so.

ETA: Having now read the comments, I'm astonished. Go back and re-watch the episodes that had wraith queens in them. Teyla displays none of the contempt or bearing of her "predecessors."
Yes, Teyla is really gentle and kind, but her life -- and Todd's, who I agree was great as usual -- depended on her being convincing (and just being bossy didn't cut it).

What could have made this a little more fun -- seeing as they cut the opening credits (to save time for the episode?) -- would have been a "My Fair Lady" scene where Todd coaches her on the "proper demeanor" of a WQ.
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Old September 13 2008, 03:22 PM   #9
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I gave it an average. I hate these face of the enemy type stories, just on principal, and wish it would backfire just once. Todd however, was awesome in this episode, which really brought the score up.
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Old September 13 2008, 03:25 PM   #10
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I gave an Average score. Much of it was predictable/typical but they pulled it off very well.

I finally actually liked Teyla. And her threat at the end was great no matter how much of a bluff it was.
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Old September 13 2008, 04:48 PM   #11
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It was OK.
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Old September 13 2008, 04:56 PM   #12
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Teyla should have stayed the queen for like the rest of the season . . .
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Old September 13 2008, 06:21 PM   #13
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Great episode! Todd and Teyla as Wraith queen definitely made this episode work. I doubt Todd will go forward with Keller's therapy.
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Old September 13 2008, 07:10 PM   #14
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Gave it an average. Nothing too special. Team see Todd with plan. Todd lies. Team confused. Last minute save by team. Todd wins.

Why didn't Teyla call for prisoner/s to her quarters instead of going to talk to them where anyone could hear her? Plus Todd's assistance wasn't very subtle either and for the most part she didn't look anything like a queen in terms of demeanour or presence.
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Old September 13 2008, 07:21 PM   #15
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I felt Teyla did not pull off the queen thing so well.
Also if there not going to do the credits they should just show the show and not use that 5 second thing they have.
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