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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 6 2008, 05:48 PM   #1
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The meeting in Star Trek VI

During the meeting with Spock in the opening scene of Star Trek VI, could you tell if anyone was going to end up being a "traitor" later in the film? I've never noticed it much before, but I noticed Admiral Cartwright looking very nervous. Anyone else?
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Old September 6 2008, 07:21 PM   #2
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Yeah I noticed it in repeated viewings. But there are no obvious cues to make you suspect anyone..
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Old September 6 2008, 09:20 PM   #3
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Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI

On later viewing I noticed crewmen Burke and Samno, when the klingons just arrived on board Enterprise, complaining about klingon hygiene etc. Suddenly they bump into val'eris, which asks: "don't you men have work".
I'm not quite sure if I interpreted correctly, but I'm pretty sure she told them to get on with boarding the klingon ship.
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Old September 7 2008, 01:41 AM   #4
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Star Trek VI is my favorite movie and I've easily seen it the most. The foreshadowing is all very small and hardly noticeable. I always thought that Valeris was just telling those men to get back to work. Meyer did a great job on this film.
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Old September 7 2008, 08:38 AM   #5
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One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.
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Old September 7 2008, 08:40 PM   #6
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Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI

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One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.
You forgot Spock But good point.
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Old September 7 2008, 10:44 PM   #7
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There was an Asian admiral there too... I'm pretty sure.

Edited to add:

Yes I was correct... Actually, overall there is quite a few "minorities" and well as a decent proportion of female officers represented. Here is the overall shot... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0051.jpg


In this clip you can see an Indian woman and a black man... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0048.jpg

Further down, closer to the podium just over spock's right shoulder... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0056.jpg

It's fuzzy, but there is an asian man on the left of this grab... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0049.jpg

This one is clearer from that side, as you can see there are two asian men... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0061.jpg

The aid to the cinc is an asian woman... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0050.jpg

ANd in this clip is a female admiral of non white decent to... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0053.jpg
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Old September 9 2008, 07:34 PM   #8
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Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI

When I saw the movie in the theater I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, although I guess I should have considering his attitude towards the Klingons (bringing them to their knees).
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Old September 9 2008, 07:37 PM   #9
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Heh. I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, but that's mostly because I always liked Brock Peters and didn't think of him as a traitor.
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Old September 9 2008, 07:40 PM   #10
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Heh. I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, but that's mostly because I always liked Brock Peters and didn't think of him as a traitor.
Huh... I saw it coming. But I'm always able to see the story before it's over.

It's why my family hates watching TV/Movies with me anymore.
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Old September 9 2008, 09:27 PM   #11
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^^^It's actually not that hard to do once you understand three act drama and how stories are structured. Everything important gets established in act one, so you know the traitors are someone(s) you met in the first 20 minutes of the film.
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Old September 9 2008, 09:31 PM   #12
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^^^It's actually not that hard to do once you understand three act drama and how stories are structured. Everything important gets established in act one, so you know the traitors are someone(s) you met in the first 20 minutes of the film.
I've got alot of ideas on how the movie could have been better.

For one, I still think they should have made Sulu in on it...
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Old September 10 2008, 03:10 AM   #13
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One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.
I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!
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Old September 10 2008, 03:24 AM   #14
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One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.
I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!
People see what they want to see.
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Old September 10 2008, 04:01 AM   #15
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One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.
I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!
People see what they want to see.
Very true. It's all in the eyes of the beholder.
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