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Old September 8 2008, 05:09 PM   #1
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Spider-Man 4 &5 to get underway with Sam and Tobey signed?!?

It seems this is moving from the rumor mill of a year or so ago into reality.

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It's time to end once and for all the rampant speculation. Sony doesn't want any info to leak but I'm told that both star Tobey Maguire and director Sam Raimi will be returning to make Zodiac screenwriter Jamie Vanderbilt's script of Spider-Man 4. Sources tell me that Sony has recently locked in both veterans of Spider-Man 1 through 3. And I do mean recently because just a few weeks ago sources told me that Sony Pictures co-chairman Amy Pascal was openly discussing Tobey's potential replacements with various Hollywood agents because Tobey was hanging tough about a deal. "She was looking around to cover herself because Sony wanted him badly and Tobey wasn't sure he wanted to do it," an insider explained to me. (Later today, a Sony Pictures spokesman claimed to me on the record, "There was never anyone considered for the role but Tobey.")
There's no deal yet for Kirsten Dunst but Mary Jane Watson will be in the movie again. I'm told Sony "would never recast her" despite her rehab problems. But expect another gal part, too.
Story continues in the link.

I missed the news Kirsten had been in rehab? Drugs? Alchohol? No panty addiction?

So thoughts?



I for one would love a 2pt story that has both Lizard and Man-Wolf being hunted by Kraven. Somehow tie it into a resurrected Norman Osborne who is using Kraven to test the Spider before he makes his big return in Act 1 of Spidey 5. Spread out over 2 films its not too many charcters, especially if the other "gal part" is Felicia Hardy aka Black Cat.
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Old September 8 2008, 05:48 PM   #2
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I hope Kirsten is out. She had a coke problem during Spidey 3 and it showed. She also hates doing the movies, and who seriously wants somebody like that screwing up your work?

I like the idea of lizard a lot. Kraven isn't a bad idea either. I'd love to have a real Venom movie with Spidey, but that's done now. So that seems like a good route to take. Electro wouldn't be bad either.

Out with Mary Jane. Bring on Black Cat. That's my two cents. Seeing Harry and Peter work together was one of the highlights in an otherwise dreadful film. I want to see another team up.

EDIT: I just had another idea. What about Scorpion? Just saying. Another villian that might work.
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Old September 8 2008, 06:30 PM   #3
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Re: Spider-Man 4 &5 to get underway with Sam and Tobey signed?!?

The Mary Jane/Peter Parker romance was one my of my favorite parts of the first two movies. But 3rd one kind of killed it. I wouldn't mind seeing the character go.
Though what would they do? Say that they broke up for good and introduce a new love interest? Or just reference her as off screen. "Oh she is off performing in London" or something like that?
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Old September 8 2008, 09:18 PM   #4
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If they used the Lizard would Dylan Baker still get to play Dr. Curt Connors or would they want to get a more big name star?
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Old September 8 2008, 09:20 PM   #5
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The Mary Jane/Peter Parker romance was one my of my favorite parts of the first two movies. But 3rd one kind of killed it. I wouldn't mind seeing the character go.
Though what would they do? Say that they broke up for good and introduce a new love interest? Or just reference her as off screen. "Oh she is off performing in London" or something like that?
I know what happens in Spider-man 4 and 5! MJ gets kidnapped at the end of the next two Spider-man movies!
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Old September 8 2008, 09:29 PM   #6
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If they used the Lizard would Dylan Baker still get to play Dr. Curt Connors or would they want to get a more big name star?
They'll replace him with Tommy Lee Jones.
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Old September 8 2008, 09:30 PM   #7
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I think if they use Lizard its a mistake to recast. The audience is already familar with Dylan Baker in the role of Curt Connors, however brief the role has been to date. Besides I think he'd be a sympathetic villian much as he has been portrayed in the books over the years.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:45 PM   #8
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I stopped buying Spider-Man books and haven't looked back when they broke up Peter and MJ and haven't regretted it in the slightest. I'll ignore the movies equally if they do the same. Re-cast Kirsten Dunst if you must, I'm not that attached to her, but I hope they keep the character and the relationship.
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Old September 8 2008, 10:59 PM   #9
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Re: Spider-Man 4 &5 to get underway with Sam and Tobey signed?!?

They could have Peter and MJ taking a break after all that happened in Spiderman 3, and have Peter casually date Betty or Gwen, or even have Gwen and MJ become friends. As for the villain, I think they should definitely go with the Lizard, and they could add Kraven in, too.
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Old September 8 2008, 11:06 PM   #10
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I stopped buying Spider-Man books and haven't looked back when they broke up Peter and MJ and haven't regretted it in the slightest. I'll ignore the movies equally if they do the same. Re-cast Kirsten Dunst if you must, I'm not that attached to her, but I hope they keep the character and the relationship.
I'm with you on the comic. I don't care how well they write their 6pt New Ways to Die the story exists in a Mephisto altered reality.

The movies though do not have Peter and MJ married. The history of the character has had him with a number of romantic leads before he married MJ. She has gone to Europe, LA or just been broken up with Peter and as long as those avenues, or similar, are followed with the same respect Raimi showed the characters in Spidey1&2, pt3 had too much studio interference and it showed, then I'm fine with a limited if non-exisitent MJ in pts 4&5.
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Old September 9 2008, 05:49 AM   #11
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love the idea of spidey 4 and 5. can't wait to see what happens!
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Old September 9 2008, 05:40 PM   #12
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I have never been that impressed with Durnst as MJ. she just doesn't have the look or the fire.

I'd just as soon cast Reba as MJ in the movies.

I think a good choice would be the actor who played Naomi Wildman could possibly be a good choice.
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Old September 9 2008, 05:59 PM   #13
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I hope Kirsten is out. She had a coke problem during Spidey 3 and it showed. She also hates doing the movies, and who seriously wants somebody like that screwing up your work?

I like the idea of lizard a lot. Kraven isn't a bad idea either. I'd love to have a real Venom movie with Spidey, but that's done now. So that seems like a good route to take. Electro wouldn't be bad either.

Out with Mary Jane. Bring on Black Cat. That's my two cents. Seeing Harry and Peter work together was one of the highlights in an otherwise dreadful film. I want to see another team up.

EDIT: I just had another idea. What about Scorpion? Just saying. Another villian that might work.
I don't think Scorpion would work...in the films they haven't really developed JJJ's hatred of Spider-Man. And I hope they don't break up Pete/MJ, I like the fact that so far she's been the only girl for him.
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Old September 9 2008, 08:50 PM   #14
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Re: Spider-Man 4 &5 to get underway with Sam and Tobey signed?!?

I agree... MJ has been his love since the first scene of the first movie. Why change that when you can either recast the actress or involve her in some other way? I would be fine if she wasn't in the movie as long as their relationship was implied or mentioned...
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Old September 9 2008, 10:12 PM   #15
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Honestly, I've gone from greatly anticipating the next sequel after Spider-Man 2 to not really caring anymore after Spider-Man 3. They pretty much screwed eveything up, from the backstory of Venom, one of my favourite villains, to discarding all the positive character development of Mary Jane from the previous films. The damage is done.
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