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Old September 7 2008, 07:47 PM   #241
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Re: Read & Reread "Greater Than The Sum"- My Opinion (Spoilers)

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I personally loathe the idea of having sex in Star Trek at all.

Of course, I prefer an all male crew as well.
I know people keep saying this, but man are you in the wrong fandom.
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Old September 7 2008, 07:48 PM   #242
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I see your point but they can be combined with "how you get here classes." ;-) We do live in an imperfect world. I was taught both ways so it can done.
Not really, no. Biology is not sexual education. It addresses none of the practical and social issues. I still think, by definition, information-based approaches cannot be combined with 'abstinence-only' programs; as a form of (religious) absolutism, it, by definition, denies all other possibilities.

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I prefer an all male crew as well.
What's the appeal of that, if you don't mind my asking?
Since god hates fags, intensely homosocial environments are the next best thing.

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Old September 7 2008, 08:17 PM   #243
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I prefer an all male crew as well.
What's the appeal of that, if you don't mind my asking?
First off for those making some inferences, I am not homosexual. Never was.

But I like the concept of all male teams involved in a common pursuit. Like football teams for example or the U.S. military before large numbers of women were allowed to join (my dad was a soldier back in that era).

All male organizations tend to function better than ones that mix males and females. Females are a major distraction and a source of tension for males. Males are far, far easier to control and command where not females are present.

And I like organizations will little emphasis on individualism but emphasize common striving for a goal.

One reason that I dislike emphasis on "character" in Star Trek and prefer a focus on "the plot" or "the mission".
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Old September 7 2008, 08:24 PM   #244
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I prefer an all male crew as well.
What's the appeal of that, if you don't mind my asking?
First off for those making some inferences, I am not homosexual. Never was.
Neither was Larry Craig.

I just gotta say that I'm soooooo glad that you have nothing to do with how the novels are written because then they really would all be crap!
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Old September 7 2008, 09:12 PM   #245
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A little thought experiment:

But I like the concept of all white teams involved in a common pursuit. Like ... the U.S. military before large numbers of black people were allowed to join (my dad was a soldier back in that era).

All white organizations tend to function better than ones that mix blacks and whites. Blacks are a major distraction and a source of tension for whites. Whites are far, far easier to control and command where no blacks are present.
Throw Jews in there, too. Or gay people. Or aliens. No matter how you slice it, it's total bullshit, and offensive in the extreme.
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Old September 7 2008, 09:17 PM   #246
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Murder, child molestation and rape are the three lowest forms of human behavior. Bigotry is the fourth.
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Old September 7 2008, 09:34 PM   #247
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I prefer an all male crew as well.
What's the appeal of that, if you don't mind my asking?
First off for those making some inferences, I am not homosexual. Never was.

But I like the concept of all male teams involved in a common pursuit. Like football teams for example or the U.S. military before large numbers of women were allowed to join (my dad was a soldier back in that era).

All male organizations tend to function better than ones that mix males and females. Females are a major distraction and a source of tension for males. Males are far, far easier to control and command where not females are present.

And I like organizations will little emphasis on individualism but emphasize common striving for a goal.

One reason that I dislike emphasis on "character" in Star Trek and prefer a focus on "the plot" or "the mission".
Dude, you seriously don't get it do you? I know people say Star Trek is different things to different people or whatever, but I think most Star Trek fans will agree that two of the most important elements to great Star Trek are the characters and it's diversity. And if Trek ever got rid of either of those things I think I would stop watching and/or reading it.
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Old September 7 2008, 10:08 PM   #248
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First off for those making some inferences, I am not homosexual. Never was.
No, just misogynistic.

All male organizations tend to function better than ones that mix males and females. Females are a major distraction and a source of tension for males. Males are far, far easier to control and command where not females are present.
Where are you posting from, 1953?

One reason that I dislike emphasis on "character" in Star Trek and prefer a focus on "the plot" or "the mission".
Yet one more reason why it's inexplicable that you watch Star Trek at all.
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Old September 7 2008, 10:09 PM   #249
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i'd like to see some factual evidence to back up those claims...

fun fact #937133789

A few years back, the Royal Marines decided to allow a couple of women volenteers to try out for selection. They came extremely close to passing, but (so rumour has it) they weren't allowed to finish. Why? because they were close to passing and if they did, entitling them to wear the RM green beret, then the Marines and the MOD would have to let women become Marines, or at least front-line infantry soldiers.
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Old September 7 2008, 10:19 PM   #250
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Since god hates fags, intensely homosocial environments are the next best thing.
Well said.

Dayton3, I still don't understand why you persist with ST. It seems to offer so much that you do not enjoy.
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Old September 7 2008, 11:14 PM   #251
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Perhaps because manly men who definitely aren't gay relish exposing themselves to undesirable experiences so they can prove how tough and manly and definitely not gay they are? Maybe watching and reading Star Trek is Dayton3's equivalent of a gruelling endurance trial. Instead of Klingon painstiks, he subjects himself to the ordeal of stories that explore character and emotion and have actual girls in them and stuff.
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Old September 7 2008, 11:15 PM   #252
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But I like the concept of all male teams involved in a common pursuit. Like football teams for example or the U.S. military before large numbers of women were allowed to join (my dad was a soldier back in that era).

All male organizations tend to function better than ones that mix males and females. Females are a major distraction and a source of tension for males. Males are far, far easier to control and command where not females are present.

And I like organizations will little emphasis on individualism but emphasize common striving for a goal.

One reason that I dislike emphasis on "character" in Star Trek and prefer a focus on "the plot" or "the mission".
How the hell did you ever get into Trek fandom in the first place? It seems clear you want a series set 300 years in the past rather than the future. (Or the present, for that matter.)

Do you like gladiator movies?
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Old September 7 2008, 11:46 PM   #253
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^Not particularly though Spartacus was good.

I don't get the hostility here.

Everyone has different reasons for enjoying Star Trek. Why try to claim that my reasons are any more or less appropriate than anyone else's?

It seems among some, that Star Treks revered diversity and tolerance only run in one direction...
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Old September 7 2008, 11:54 PM   #254
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But I think the thing that none of us can understand - Star Trek has never featured all male crews, it's never been a feature of the show, it's never going to be a feature of the show or the books.

It seems among some, that Star Treks revered diversity and tolerance only run in one direction...
But we don't live in the Star Trek universe, we live in the real one, where we have to try and reconcile your rather odd statements with what the rest of us understand the show to be about. You seem to want a version of the show that never existed and is entirely against ever single principle and idea ever seen on screen.

You might as well be asking why Sesame Street doesn't promote the ideals of National socialism for the sense it would make to the rest of us.
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Old September 7 2008, 11:58 PM   #255
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EDIT: This was obvious in response to Dayton3, and not you Joe. You just posted quicker than I did.

ORIGINAL POST:
Because your "reasons" go completely against the whole point of the Star Trek franchise. The whole point of the franchise was that it was about a better future in which bigotry, and hate no longer existed (at least originally), and also about diverse group of well developed characters going out and exploring the universe and making new friends (hopefully). It was not, and was never intended to be a purely action based series.
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