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Old September 7 2008, 01:35 AM   #226
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I've never really gotten Trek's whole anti-sex thing either. But at the same time, I'm glad that the shows didn't try to be sexy very often because more often than not, when they did it it just didn't work. Probably one of the best examples I can come up with would be the Enterpise episode where Hoshi shirt get stuck and pulled off as she's climbing out of a Jeffreies tube. Because I'm sorry but that was just ridiculous.
Certainly Enterprise was quite juvenile in its attempts at titillation, but none of the other shows came anywhere near those depths. Even VGR, with all its full-length shots of Seven of Nine in her catsuit, rarely contrived gratuitous excuses to get her in her underwear or put her in compromising bondage positions with a male senior officer.
I guess not, it's just that that scene always comes to mind for me whenever this topic gets brought up. But now that I think about it more, the only other scene that I can think of from another Trek show that was that juvenile was when q made 7's clothes dissapear, and that was supposed to be juvenile.
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Old September 7 2008, 02:01 AM   #227
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Sex scenes are hard to do and I object because I won't be able to hand over a ST TNG novel to my nieces until they are at an age where they can read this.
Your nieces may be as wonderful as my nieces, but I can't say I want any of our nieces determining what I can read.
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Old September 7 2008, 07:12 AM   #228
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No offense taken, certainly. But I do believe that the abstinence-only approach fails a whole lot more than the information-based approach.
I think all combined are more effective. As to which approach is better? We may never really know.
Abstinence-only programs, by definition, cannot be combined with other appraoches (because then they wouldn't only be "teaching" abstinence).

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Old September 7 2008, 01:13 PM   #229
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No offense taken, certainly. But I do believe that the abstinence-only approach fails a whole lot more than the information-based approach.
I think all combined are more effective. As to which approach is better? We may never really know.
Abstinence-only programs, by definition, cannot be combined with other appraoches (because then they wouldn't only be "teaching" abstinence).

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I see your point but they can be combined with "how you get here classes." ;-)

We do live in an imperfect world. I was taught both ways so it can done.
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Old September 7 2008, 01:32 PM   #230
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^^Teaching the basics of procreation and calling it sex education is like teaching the alphabet and calling it a grounding in English literature. And teaching abstinence is like teaching people not to read books lest they be exposed to unhealthy or disapproved ideas.
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Old September 7 2008, 01:47 PM   #231
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And teaching abstinence is like teaching people not to read books lest they be exposed to unhealthy or disapproved ideas.
Well, to be fair, many of those who advocate the former are also pretty big on pushing the latter, as well, at least so far as "certain" books are concerned.
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Old September 7 2008, 03:51 PM   #232
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I personally loathe the idea of having sex in Star Trek at all.

Of course, I prefer an all male crew as well.
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Old September 7 2008, 03:56 PM   #233
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Old September 7 2008, 04:00 PM   #234
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Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!
Guest starring Kate Mulgrew as the ghost of Kathryn Janeway?
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Old September 7 2008, 04:08 PM   #235
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I personally loathe the idea of having sex in Star Trek at all.
Which would have meant no Next Generation...

Of course, I prefer an all male crew as well.
How about we meet halfway? An all-male crew with lots of sex?
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Old September 7 2008, 04:12 PM   #236
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Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!
Guest starring Kate Mulgrew as the ghost of Kathryn Janeway?

Haven't you been paying attention? Trek writers can't or won't write for strong female characters.
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Old September 7 2008, 04:26 PM   #237
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Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!
Guest starring Kate Mulgrew as the ghost of Kathryn Janeway?

Haven't you been paying attention? Trek writers can't or won't write for strong female characters.
Write for them? Or write them?
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Old September 7 2008, 04:42 PM   #238
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Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!
Guest starring Kate Mulgrew as the ghost of Kathryn Janeway?

Haven't you been paying attention? Trek writers can't or won't write for strong female characters.
And what does Kathryn Janeway have to do with "strong female characters"?
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Old September 7 2008, 05:04 PM   #239
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I personally loathe the idea of having sex in Star Trek at all.
If you don't want to have sex in Star Trek, you could always buy Battlestar Galactica bedsheets instead.
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Old September 7 2008, 05:06 PM   #240
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I prefer an all male crew as well.
What's the appeal of that, if you don't mind my asking?
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