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Old September 4 2008, 12:08 PM   #691
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It is however usually a case of WHICH Italian, Spanish or English team will win. In the last seven seasons, they've won six between them.
As they did in the European Cup. Unfancied teams can still win it, but the competition as a whole is more competitive.

A fair point about the money issue however, and I'd like to see a fairer distribution of funds. Especially with regards to the UEFA Cup, which is a shadow of its former self.
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Old September 4 2008, 12:27 PM   #692
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Absolutely. I'm glad to see that the rules around CL teams dropping into the Uefa Cup are about to be changed. I think it's hardly fair that those teams get a second bite at the cherry.

The Uefa Cup used to be a pretty good competition, but in recent years it's little more than a subsidiary cup, which greatly devalues it. They got rid of the Cup Winners Cup in order to protect the importance and value of the Uefa Cup, but to me, that's just not happened at all.

Personally, I'd rather they kept the CWC and dropped the Uefa Cup. The CWC would actually be closer to the old European Cup format than the current CL. Sadly though, money dictated the direction, as highlighted by the expansion into including group stages in the Uefa Cup.
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Old September 4 2008, 03:39 PM   #693
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^ They're changing the rules about CL drop-outs? I haven't heard of this what's the plan?

Shame about Curbs - he may well have squandered a fair chunk of cash on useless players, but hey, Sam Allardyce bought Joey Barton to Newcastle!

Hope to see him back in management soon, although hopefully not too soon. He's openly stated his intention to go for Premiership clubs only, and I'd love to last until at least December without another sacking.

It won't happen *sigh* I should start putting money on this really.
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Old September 5 2008, 09:39 AM   #694
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^^ Could be wrong, it's just what I'd heard off a mate. He seems to think that from next season the 3rd placed team in the CL groups don't drop into the Uefa Cup. That, to me, sounds a lot fairer for the teams who're in the UC from the start. As I said though, it's word of mouth, not something I've confirmed via any official sources so it may well not be true.
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Old September 5 2008, 12:35 PM   #695
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^That's correct.

From next season teams who finished 3rd in the Premier League will qualify automatically but teams who finished fourth will have to start in an earlier qualification round.
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Old September 5 2008, 02:00 PM   #696
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^^ Presumably, they'll be seeded though. Meaning it's most likely going to be a fairly straight forward game for the English, Italian and Spanish teams. It would be better if they just put them all in one pot and drew them out.
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Old September 5 2008, 02:54 PM   #697
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"" That sounds even worse than the current system. The 3rd placed should have to qualify as they do now, with the 4th placed team going into 1st/2nd qualifying round.

I don't buy into this seeding system and the whole 'best teams must be at the latter stages cos it'll be the best games' argument. I would really love to see the whole thing done the same as the domestic cup competitions ie anyone can get anyone else in a straight draw. It'll never happen I know, but I'd love to see it just to see the end of the ridiculously inevitable group stages.
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Old September 5 2008, 03:35 PM   #698
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Straight knockout with only the champions from each country taking part. Shame that we used to have that, until someone thought that it was a bad idea.....

One of the better examples of commercialism taking priority over and harming sport IMO.
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Old September 6 2008, 09:15 PM   #699
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Well it was a win for ENG at the least Croatia must be scared
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Old September 6 2008, 09:43 PM   #700
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Hah, Austria beats France, and though somewhat lucky it wasn't even undeserved; I really would have thought that's possible.
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Old September 6 2008, 10:45 PM   #701
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Well it was a win for ENG at the least Croatia must be scared


To be fair, Croatia are a much better team. People have to get used to the fact that England are on the same level of Scotland in terms of international ability. You still see the media talk about Croatia as a team England "should" beat (the "It's only Croatia" mentality, as if football is related to GDP), although given their form, especially at home, it might as well be Argentina or Spain.

England should consider themselves lucky to get a point out of Croatia. Though Scotland got six points off France last year, so there is a chance they can punch above their weight.
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Old September 7 2008, 12:31 AM   #702
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I have no doubt ENG would be capable of getting a draw if Hargreaves, Gerrard, Rochards & Owen were in the squad but there not and I feel Capello will play 4-4-2 when 4-5-1 is the better option and get stuffed.

Tonight it may only have been against Andorra but Walcott did look very good when he got the ball but surly Downing has proved to Capello that he cannot cut it at international level so Ashley Young can come back into the fold.

Also J.Cole once again proved that he is ENGLAND's most consistance performer when it comes to our attacking options. Nice to see Rooney actually stay up front but we never got him the ball and really only Gerrard can link well with him.

Barry's tackling over past 2 games has been just plain awful and Lampard still cannot influence an England game even against Andorra and is again one who should be dropped when we are at full strength hopefully next month.
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Old September 8 2008, 01:06 PM   #703
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[England are on the same level of Scotland in terms of international ability.
Only one place apart in the latest FIFA rankings.

England continue to be woeful.

It's difficult to know where to start TBH.

GK - James/Robinson/Carson - What a fcuking choice that is, it's like trying to pick one of the three stooges....

Defence - Used to be our strong point. Now, due in part to the goalkeeping situation, along with other deficiencies, they play like they're constantly on the verge of doing something ridiculous. Terry and Ferdinand are decent players individually, but together, just doesn't really work. The fullbacks can either go forward or hold back, but seem incapable of doing both in the same game.

Midfield - On paper we should have one of the best midfields in the world; Joe Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Hargreaves, Beckham etc. Yet, again, put them together and they lack even a basic modicum of creativity on the international stage. Lampard and Gerrard in particular just can't bring their club form to the big stage. Beckham's career is winding down. Cole is played out of position on the left wing (which he does well enough), and really only Hargreaves plays to potential (most of the time).

In attack - Why do England managers continue to play him as an out-and-out striker. He's not, his best position is playing off the front man, or better still, behind a front pair. It's a sad indictment to say, that Rooney aside, our next best option in attack is the Owen/Heskey combination.

Seriously hope that Fabio's the man to do it, but someone really needs to sort England out, otherwise they'll be wandering around in the international wildneress for as long as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have......
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Old September 8 2008, 03:52 PM   #704
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I think the future after 2010 is looking more brighter with some good talents coming out of the U21's. We don't need world class players to win just a team, which works well together and has good partnerships like the U21 team.

^ I dis-agree about J.Cole being played out of the postion on the left wing because he has played the majorty of his career on the left for West Ham, Chelsea & England despite being right footed. J.Cole biggest strength is his ability to come inside quickly and link up with the forwards, which works best when your coming from the opposite flank to your prefered foot.

Our keeper choices for now are limited but there is still hope...

Hart is wonderful for a 21 year old and Foster has shown good potential but if he does NOT start next season as UTD number 1 then he shoud leave. Chris Kirkland is our best keeper if were talking about technical ability but injuries have wrecked his chance of becoming one of the finest keepers for England. I think while Paul Robinson, Robert Green and Scott Carson can make it into future ENG squads, they will never hold down the number 1 spot for a lengthy period of time.

Watch out for Joe Lewis from U21 team to make an impact in next few years.

For me our defending has struggled from lack of good cover ever since Carragher decided to retire in the middle of Euro 2008 Q/F and King's injury problems. I will stay by my comments before that when fully fit and games under his belt, Ledley King is a better defender than John Terry but we can't expect him to ever fully get over his knee issues. David Wheater and Steven Taylor are a wonderful partnership but for me both need to leave there clubs in the next 2 years but especially David Wheater who can become ENGLAND's version of Vidic.

Micah Richards is crazy if he thinks that centre back is a better position for him than right back and Wayne Bridge needs to leave for games and not stay for money though Shorey & Baines can cover for Ashley Cole. Our biggest issue is cover for right back especially if Micah continues to play centre back for Man City.

I'll get round to rest later ...Good god I do ramble on when it comes to ENGLAND
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Old September 8 2008, 08:19 PM   #705
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Does England really need to be written ENGLAND?
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