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Old September 4 2008, 02:50 AM   #1
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Recommendations?

I need some recommendations on novels to buy and read, or at least put on my Amazon wishlist.

First, some background on what I currently own and have or have not read, and what I liked or disliked about them. So far I have read TOS's Spock's World (a library copy), TOS's Dreams of the Raven, the first two volumes of New Frontier, The Eugenics Wars (vols. 1 & 2), TNG's Encounter at Farpoint; and am currently reading Star Trek: The Motion Picture (novelization). Of those books, my favorite is probably Dreams of the Raven, because it's the closest to the original mission of the Enterprise: "To explore strange new worlds; To seek out new life and new civilizations; To boldly go where no man/one has gone before." Except for that, however, it was fairly ordinary. I also enjoyed Encounter at Farpoint, and am enjoying TMP a little less, because I can picture the original episode/movie in my mind. That said, I would like a little more than just novelizations.

After TMP, I plan on reading DS9's Emissary (after rewatching it on DVD). After that comes TNG's Q-Squared. Other Star Trek novels I currently own are vols. 3 & 4 of New Frontier, as well as novelizations of movies II through VI (to be read in order, after watching their respective movies).

About New Frontier: I read vols. 1 & 2, but kept getting more and more confused over who was who, which race they belonged to, "Are they the good guy or the bad guy?", etc. Some day, I'll try to reread vols. 1 & 2, as well as 3 & 4 for the first time. Some day, just not today.

As for what I like, I'm familiar with TOS, TNG (first 3 seasons, so far), and DS9 (first season, so far). I'm currently in the process of watching TNG and DS9 on DVD, so I'll eventually be familiar with more seasons. This is important to me with regard to character changes and major development (see New Frontier, above). Also, I'd prefer more TNG and DS9 novels, basically to broaden my horizons. (So far, I've never watched anything on VOY or ENT. Eventually I'll get to them, just not right away.)

I prefer novels that deal with technology over relations, but even more than technology I prefer science and exploration (the original mission, again). Humor is always good, as long as it doesn't need to be explained to me. (Spock vs. Bones is one type of humor that is always good; so is Data rambling on ("Thank-you, Data!"); but they're by no means the only types.) Also, since I'm still getting into DS9, a story that gets me "into" a regular character more--what they were like before DS9, their role on DS9, etc.--would be nice.

Also, as I'm a slow reader, I generally prefer older, shorter novels over newer, longer ones. However, if it's easy to read and engaging....

So, what books would you recommend for me? If you have any questions or need more info about what I like or prefer, feel free to ask.

(Boy, that was longer than I thought! )
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Old September 4 2008, 04:16 AM   #2
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Re: Recommendations?

The DS9 numbered novel Fallen Heroes is a great read, as is The 34th Rule. Both are early-seasons stories, although I don't recall exactly when they're supposed to fall. Doesn't matter too much in either case.

A Stitch In Time is the definitive Garak novel. If you've only seen DS9 season 1 you've only encountered him once (?) so far, so you may want to hold off on that for a bit, but put it on your list.

Truly standout TNG novels seem to be fairly uncommon, but Q-Squared is certainly one of them. Good pick. Q-in-Law is pretty good as well.
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Old September 4 2008, 04:29 AM   #3
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The DS9 numbered novel Fallen Heroes is a great read, as is The 34th Rule. Both are early-seasons stories, although I don't recall exactly when they're supposed to fall. Doesn't matter too much in either case.
Fallen Heroes is set in DS9's second season. The 34th Rule is in the late fourth season.
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Old September 4 2008, 04:42 AM   #4
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Christopher's Ex Machina, a TOS book set after The Motion Picture, might also be a fun read, but his writing style is pretty dense, so it might be too much for you if you prefer the shorter ones.

Q Squared is an excellent call; I'd actually recommend pretty much anything by Peter David before he wrote New Frontier, with other highlights being Vendetta (read after The Best Of Both Worlds) and Imzadi (long, but worth it). Diane Duane's Dark Mirror is also a lot of fun, even though flatly contradicted by more recent Mirror Universe continuity.

Good standalone DS9 novels are pretty uncommon; in addition to the two mentioned so far, I think for my money the only other one that's much worthwhile is The Siege, also by Peter David (I may be something of a fan of his).

So:

Ex Machina - tough but brilliant

Vendetta, Imzadi, Q-In-Law, Q-Squared - Peter David's TNG books
Dark Mirror, by Diane Duane, for an older look at a possible mirror universe

The Siege, Fallen Heroes, The 34th Rule - for my money, the only really good DS9 standalones.

That's good for starters.
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Old September 4 2008, 05:15 AM   #5
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If shorter is your thing, you might want to try the short story anthologies. The Lives of Dax is a collection of tales that will give you all the character background you could ask for on everyone's favorite Trill, and The Sky's the Limit and Constellations offer an overview of the entire run of TNG and TOS, respectively.

And of course, there's always the Strange New Worlds volumes -- collect all ten!!
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Old September 4 2008, 07:46 AM   #6
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Re: Recommendations?

tmclough wrote: View Post
I need some recommendations on novels to buy and read, or at least put on my Amazon wishlist.

First, some background on what I currently own and have or have not read, and what I liked or disliked about them. So far I have read TOS's Spock's World (a library copy), TOS's Dreams of the Raven, the first two volumes of New Frontier, The Eugenics Wars (vols. 1 & 2), TNG's Encounter at Farpoint; and am currently reading Star Trek: The Motion Picture (novelization). Of those books, my favorite is probably Dreams of the Raven, because it's the closest to the original mission of the Enterprise: "To explore strange new worlds; To seek out new life and new civilizations; To boldly go where no man/one has gone before." Except for that, however, it was fairly ordinary. I also enjoyed Encounter at Farpoint, and am enjoying TMP a little less, because I can picture the original episode/movie in my mind. That said, I would like a little more than just novelizations.

After TMP, I plan on reading DS9's Emissary (after rewatching it on DVD). After that comes TNG's Q-Squared. Other Star Trek novels I currently own are vols. 3 & 4 of New Frontier, as well as novelizations of movies II through VI (to be read in order, after watching their respective movies).

About New Frontier: I read vols. 1 & 2, but kept getting more and more confused over who was who, which race they belonged to, "Are they the good guy or the bad guy?", etc. Some day, I'll try to reread vols. 1 & 2, as well as 3 & 4 for the first time. Some day, just not today.

As for what I like, I'm familiar with TOS, TNG (first 3 seasons, so far), and DS9 (first season, so far). I'm currently in the process of watching TNG and DS9 on DVD, so I'll eventually be familiar with more seasons. This is important to me with regard to character changes and major development (see New Frontier, above). Also, I'd prefer more TNG and DS9 novels, basically to broaden my horizons. (So far, I've never watched anything on VOY or ENT. Eventually I'll get to them, just not right away.)

I prefer novels that deal with technology over relations, but even more than technology I prefer science and exploration (the original mission, again). Humor is always good, as long as it doesn't need to be explained to me. (Spock vs. Bones is one type of humor that is always good; so is Data rambling on ("Thank-you, Data!"); but they're by no means the only types.) Also, since I'm still getting into DS9, a story that gets me "into" a regular character more--what they were like before DS9, their role on DS9, etc.--would be nice.

Also, as I'm a slow reader, I generally prefer older, shorter novels over newer, longer ones. However, if it's easy to read and engaging....

So, what books would you recommend for me? If you have any questions or need more info about what I like or prefer, feel free to ask.

(Boy, that was longer than I thought! )

I just finished the 3 book Terok Nor series.. which provides background on DS9 when it was Terok Nor, how the Cardassians came to be on Bajor.. it will give you a great base of how things came to be. I thought the series was excellent... one of my favorites!
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Old September 4 2008, 01:35 PM   #7
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The Next generation:
Imzadi parts 1 and 2
The Genesis wave parts 1,2 & 3
Nemeis (much better than the film , gies more in depth and gives a lot of background)
All good things


Voyager:
Pathways
Mosaic
Home comming
The father shore
Before Dishonour

DS9:

The Search
The Dominion wars parts 1-4
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Old September 4 2008, 02:09 PM   #8
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tmclough wrote: View Post
am currently reading Star Trek: The Motion Picture (novelization).
"Ex Machina" is the ideal book to follow up TMP with!

"Uhura's Song" by the late Janet Kagan is also a very good "mission" novel of TOS era. Perhaps longer than you prefer but it moves fast.

I prefer novels that deal with technology over relations, but even more than technology I prefer science and exploration... Data rambling on
A great Data whodunnit novel is "Immortal Coil" by Jeffrey Lang, especially if you've already seen "Datalore", "Brothers", "The Offspring" and "Inheritance". There are cameos of numerous AI and androids of TOS, but knowledge of them isn't essential.
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Old September 4 2008, 09:49 PM   #9
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But just to warn you Immortal Coil does take place between 2 of the TNG movies, so it's several years after the end of the series.
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Old September 5 2008, 10:33 PM   #10
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Nemesis (much better than the film , gies more in depth and gives a lot of background)
Nemesis... back when the movie came out I tried to get my hands on a copy of the novelization, but was a bit confused because I read somewhere that there are different versions: one that goes beyond what's shown in the movie, and another that just sort of recounts the movie without any further details...

I'd really like to read "Nemesis", at least the "extended" version because I enjoyed the premise of the movie, if not the execution. So I'd be grateful if anyone of you could shed some light on this.

As for the OP's request:

TOS:

Yesterday's Son, Time for Yesterday by A.C. Crispin - a continuation/what-if story that follows up on the events of "All Our Yesterdays"

I also enjoyed "The Entropy Effect" and "Ishmael" very much. But then, I'm very fond of stories focusing on Spock and/or the triumvirate. "The Pandora Principle" is another one of those.

If you like some background on Kirk, I'd recommend the "My Brother's Keeper"-trilogy set right after the second pilot "Where no man has gone before".

Right now I'm reading the novelization of "Wrath of Khan", my favourite of the movies - and gosh, the novel so far is even better than the movie... so I'd say you should move that up on your book pile!

TNG:

From early TNG, I'd recommend Jean Lorrah's "Survivors" focusing on Tasha and Data, and its sequel "Metamorphosis". Peter David's "A Rock and a hard Place" is in some ways a predecessor of his later New Frontier, in that the main original character has quite a few similarities to Calhoun. (Make no mistake, it's an independent story and has no connection whatsoever to the NF, just the similarities in the main characters!)

DS9:

I second the recommendation of "Fallen Heroes".


Well, that should do it for a few weeks/months. *g*
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Old September 5 2008, 10:49 PM   #11
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Nemesis... back when the movie came out I tried to get my hands on a copy of the novelization, but was a bit confused because I read somewhere that there are different versions: one that goes beyond what's shown in the movie, and another that just sort of recounts the movie without any further details...
No, all copies of the "Nemesis" novelization are the same, but they do included scripted and extended scenes (eg. Wesley at the wedding, mentioning he'd just joined USS Titan) dropped from the movie. When the two-disk DVD of the movie came out, this scene was in the bonus footage section. Furthermore, Wesley is seated at the far end of the bridal table in the movie as screened, but people who avoided buying widescreen DVD versions missed noticing him.

Then came the "A Time..." mini-series of seven books. In these, a different career path for Wesley (and for Dr Crusher) was explained, overriding the (non canonical) DVD bonus scenes.

ST novelizations that exist in different versions:
* TMP: the UK and Australasia printings have several brief, extra explanations about Vice Admiral Lori Ciana. And a set of captioned colour photos in the middle.

* ST II/III/IV: The Signature Edition reprint omnibus ("Duty, Honor, Redemption") fixes Sulu's rank to reflect the rest of the film series; ST II had originally made his captaincy imminent, but the scene was dropped as unusable footage. McInytre had continued this rank chance as a minor character arc through all three books

* Generations: The hardcover has Kirk's original death scene (now a bonus feature of the GEN two-disk DVD.) The mass market paperback has the chapter rewritten to reflect the movie as released (ie. the revised death scene.)
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Thanks for your quick reply, Therin!

I did notice Wesley at the wedding, but apparently I missed out on the part of him on the Titan (not surprising, since I only bought the single-DVD-version of Nemesis...). I don't know the publication details about the "Time to" series and the Nemesis-movie and of course Titan (i.e. which came earlier, the concept for ATT or Titan) - but was it ever considered to include Wesley in the Titan-novels?
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IIRC, it's been said that there were plans to include Wesley's return to Starfleet and assignment to Titan in the A Time to... series, and then carry that over to the Titan series, but it was later decided not to as it made more sense for him to remain a Traveller.
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was it ever considered to include Wesley in the Titan-novels?
I'm sure all the possibilities were considered.

It's not as if all the thousands of now-older TNG Wesley fans (he got the most fanmail during the first four years of TNG on TV) would come flocking to the new Titan novels if Wes was aboard. Coming back to Starfleet after many years as a Traveler would probably make him very tricky to write, and maybe he'd be in better company over on Excalibur or Trident!

Similarly, the new Enterprise-E first officer, Martin Madden - who appears in the NEM script, novelization and the DVDs' bonus scenes - was also ignored by the events of "A Time...", although KRAD did give him a salute in "Q & A".

which came earlier, the concept for ATT or Titan
"A Time..." was originally conceived as a twelve-part novel mini-series (or six duologies) to explain all the changes audiences may have noticed between the canonical adventures INS and NEM. The mini-series (Feb - Oct 2004) was scaled back to a nine-parter. The Titan books (April 2005 - ) were being developed about the same time.
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I don't know the publication details about the "Time to" series and the Nemesis-movie and of course Titan (i.e. which came earlier, the concept for ATT or Titan) - but was it ever considered to include Wesley in the Titan-novels?
When we were initially developing A Time to..., the original plan was to have Wesley no longer being a Traveller and being back in Starfleet be part of the overall storyline. Then when all his dialogue was removed from the final cut of the film, we dropped it, as we all thought that it was patently ridiculous that Wesley would go back to Starfleet after spending that much time as a higher being.

The Titan novels were planned separately (different editor), but since the final cut of Nemesis also removed the line about Wesley going to Titan, Marco didn't feel particularly beholden to it, either.
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