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Old August 26 2008, 08:20 PM   #166
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Re: Have Star Trek Writers Ever Tried to Create an Unlikable Character

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As I posted above, language is fluid, but linguistic historians (or whatever the name du jour is) like categories. Early Modern English is a misnomer, and used primarily to teach people about the transition, but it has no place in the real world.
But you agree that there was a transition, that the language of Shakespeare was a part of the evolution of the language we know as Modern English. Indeed, Shakespeare coined or codified more of the vocabulary of Modern English than any other single writer (although the King James Bible was no doubt highly influential too). Granted the obvious fact that language is fluid and categories inexact conveniences, I stand by the assertion that if you have to use a category label, "Modern English" is more appropriate for Shakespeare than "Middle English."
I don't like labels for transitional things like that, but I suppose you have me there.

Now, about Jellico being a jerk???

Anyone???
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Old August 26 2008, 08:25 PM   #167
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^ You weren't here to remind folks how wrong they were about everything.


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Old August 26 2008, 10:30 PM   #168
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And sometimes it becomes Ganges grene.
Just this week I saw an archived episode of a b/w Aussie kids' TV show from 1965 (and I hadn't seen "The Magic Circle Club" since '65) and a female bear was having a bizarre argument with a wooden bird puppet about the Japanese china she'd just bought, accusing him that his lines were Double Dutch and therefore all Greek to her. Hilarious, but I wonder if I was laughing as hard at that scene in 1965 when I was six?
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Old August 27 2008, 02:06 AM   #169
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Oh, wow. There's like three levels of irony there. Well done, Keith.
Why I Love iTunes, Part 97: I hadn't actually thought about the song in question for ages (it's called "Paul Cezanne," which has been performed by many folks over the years, among them the Washington Squares and Five Chinese Brothers, and the chorus goes "Cezanne, Cezanne / The father of cubism"), but after writing that post, I went to iTunes and downloaded it.

Living in the 21st century is just cool....
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Old August 27 2008, 02:33 AM   #170
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Oh, wow. There's like three levels of irony there. Well done, Keith.
Why I Love iTunes, Part 97: I hadn't actually thought about the song in question for ages (it's called "Paul Cezanne," which has been performed by many folks over the years, among them the Washington Squares and Five Chinese Brothers, and the chorus goes "Cezanne, Cezanne / The father of cubism"), but after writing that post, I went to iTunes and downloaded it.

Living in the 21st century is just cool....
Yeah, that's what I meant by "levels of irony". Five Chinese Brothers is also the name of that children's book from the '30s that's FILLED with the exact kind of racial stereotypes we've been talking about.

Damn. Now I have to go download that song too. I'm a huge Cezanne fan.

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^ What a visionary! Painting ridged-forehead Klingons decades before TMP...

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Yeah, that's what I meant by "levels of irony". Five Chinese Brothers is also the name of that children's book from the '30s that's FILLED with the exact kind of racial stereotypes we've been talking about.
I checked The Five Chinese Brothers out of my school library when I was in first or second grade... and never returned it. Somehow, in each of the three elementary schools I went to, there was one book I was supposed to return but never did. It was TFCB for the first school, an assigned textbook on Cincinnati history for the second, and an assigned textbook called The Story of American Freedom for the third. I didn't deliberately steal them, they just somehow slipped through the cracks, got misplaced until it was too late.
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I checked The Five Chinese Brothers out of my school library when I was in first or second grade... and never returned it. Somehow, in each of the three elementary schools I went to, there was one book I was supposed to return but never did. It was TFCB for the first school, an assigned textbook on Cincinnati history for the second, and an assigned textbook called The Story of American Freedom for the third. I didn't deliberately steal them, they just somehow slipped through the cracks, got misplaced until it was too late.
I'm a school librarian, remember. Send me your fines now and I won't tell.
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