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Old August 26 2008, 09:14 AM   #1
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Captain America (SPOILERS through #41)

Well, the best comic storyline published today appears to be nearing a conclusion.

I'm still trying to figure out what the Skull's (I nearly typed "Skrulls" there) plan is. The clues I can think of are:

- He seems very interested in keeping the Grand Director alive and under his control.

- Sharon Carter's miscarriage seems to have put a large crimp in his plans.

- He is trying to get his mind controlled puppet Senator Wright elected President, going so far as to use his control over Kronas to damage the American economy and to fake an assassination attempt - a plan Bucky has foiled.

- Zola is building two devices for him. The first, a device to separate him from Aleksander Lukin as their shared conciousness is driving them both mad.

- The second is more interesting. He has acquired some sort of time travel device from Doctor Doom and is having Zola reverse engineer it. Doom specifically designed so it could only be used once.

His plans have been affected by Faustus betraying him, allowing Sharon to escape and removing his mental control over her. His daughter, Sin, also tried to betray him by attempting to kill Senator Wright instead of just wounding him, although she was prevented from doing so by Bucky.

Next month's issue is the final part of this epic "Death of Captain America" storyline. Wrapping this all up in one issue is going to be hard.
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Old August 26 2008, 10:02 AM   #2
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I've really been enjoying this run more than I thought. Bucky works pretty well as Cap.

What I don't understand is Faustus's betrayal. It seemed too contrived. Of course I don't really know much about Faustus so maybe his actions have some explanation. If so, could someone fill me in.

His timely turn lessened the story for me. But for the most part, it's been pretty awesome and it turned me into a regular buyer of Captain America.
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Old August 26 2008, 10:15 AM   #3
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I imagine there will be some explanation for Faustus' sudden turn. The Red Skull being the Red Skull it's possible Faustus just betrayed him before the Red Skull could do it to him.
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Old August 26 2008, 12:47 PM   #4
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I imagine there will be some explanation for Faustus' sudden turn. The Red Skull being the Red Skull it's possible Faustus just betrayed him before the Red Skull could do it to him.
My thoughts exactly. Looking back, a turning point would have been Faustus seeing the Skull *not* vowing vengeance when BuckCap shot Sin and Crossbones. Like Azula said in Avatar, Faustus is a people person, and it wouldn't be too hard to reason out that if the man's child and most loyal henchman being shot had no resonance with the Skull, then Faustus' own value might end rather abruptly as well.
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Old August 26 2008, 02:28 PM   #5
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Re: Captain America (SPOILERS through #41)

The Skull's been threatening Faustus' life since literally his first appearance in #22 ("She had better be, Faustus...or it'll be your fat head on the block"), and given that more or less every setback Team Skull has suffered has been on Faustus' end (Sharon, Bucky, Evil 50s Cap), it's not surprising he decided to bow out.

I'll be fascinated to learn what the heck is going on with Doom's device (and Sharon, the "constant").

Incredible Herc had usurped this book's place as my #1 title in the last little while, but this issue brought it roaring back.
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Old August 26 2008, 05:55 PM   #6
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I'm sort of hoping that Steve never comes back.
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Old August 26 2008, 06:23 PM   #7
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But he will. Fans can't have that happening now, can they.
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Old August 26 2008, 06:37 PM   #8
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Um. Steve is already back in the page of Invaders vs. Avengers.

I felt the miscarriage was choking the donkey. Why all the set up if there's just some rug pulling at the last moment.

The Skull is probably going to Freejack Hitler's brain again.

I mean sure, he trapped Hitler's consciousness in an empty Cosmic Cube back in the 70s once he started to realize how much he had outgrown Hitler as a bastard, that it just wasn't so cool to bow and scrape to someone that small minded... But maybe the Skull can just assure himself that even though Old Hitler was a let down, he just needed to find a young Hitler more closer to the root of his pure evilness to get his jollies pumping.

I can't believe how many times I just typed "Hitler" in that one paragraph.
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Old August 26 2008, 07:24 PM   #9
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Re: Captain America (SPOILERS through #41)

I think that Marvel is doing a little better with their run of Secret Invasion than DC is doing with Final Crisis. I've tried, tried, and tried to read the events leading up to Final Crisis but my God! Is it muddled or what? Countdown to 52, 52...ugh! It's so utterly confusing. Secret Invasion does a good job of presenting a story without getting too muddled in the lore of the past. Final Crisis can't.

BTW I think that Thor is the best run right now for Marvel, personally. I haven't read Captain America but...Thor has been superb.
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Old August 26 2008, 07:34 PM   #10
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Re: Captain America (SPOILERS through #41)

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Next month's issue is the final part of this epic "Death of Captain America" storyline. Wrapping this all up in one issue is going to be hard.
end of the arc, but not the end of Brubaker's run (at least, I haven't heard that he's finishing his run!!). he won't wrap everything up, just have the last of the big events and the fallout in the next arc.

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I think that Marvel is doing a little better with their run of Secret Invasion than DC is doing with Final Crisis. I've tried, tried, and tried to read the events leading up to Final Crisis but my God! Is it muddled or what? Countdown to 52, 52...ugh! It's so utterly confusing. Secret Invasion does a good job of presenting a story without getting too muddled in the lore of the past. Final Crisis can't.
Countdown was actually declared non-canon shortly before Final Crisis began!

I want to see Steve Rogers back eventually, but the story had better be damn good.
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Old August 26 2008, 07:55 PM   #11
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^Wait a minute, they asked people to buy 52 weekly issues and then told them all it was non-canon ?

And people complain about Brand New Day!
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Old August 26 2008, 08:03 PM   #12
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Um. Steve is already back in the page of Invaders vs. Avengers.
I don't read comics that much anymore. And in regards to that, I've only read Captain America #25, and only as part of the Civil War storyline.

Which really is just an expansion and a repeat of the Mutant Registration Act Storyline. Instead of just mutants its to any being with superhuman abilities of any sort.

And personally I've come to believe its an allegorical story about firearm registration. The parallels are there. The anti-firearm crowd believes that anybody who owns a firearm is a criminal that is simply out to kill your children and demonizes anybody who owns any kind of firearm. The same kind of attitude is behind the drive to outlaw supehuman beings.
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Old August 26 2008, 08:24 PM   #13
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Steve from 1944 and the rest of the Invaders are running amok in present day.

They think the future is horrible and that the Avengers are really Nazis.

Namor beat himself up.

It was very fightclub.

Firearms? Is that all you get out the SRA Nedersong? Wow. Remember the Draft? Hells, it's even about unconditional love for the administration easily as fearful as big brother from 1984. Those loyalty oaths Bush was handing out at his press conferences were just hilarious.
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Old August 26 2008, 08:45 PM   #14
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I was not old enough for the draft and at the time was just a baby during the Vietnam war. I didn't learn of it until after I started learning about WWII then I didn't even know there was a draft for vietnam or a vietnam war until I was almost 17.

But I've never heard that President Bush was requiring loyalty oaths for journalists. Would you happen to have a link to that?

I'm just glad he won't be serving another term.
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Old August 26 2008, 09:49 PM   #15
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During the last election during his speeches, the audience and reporters all had to sign loyalty oaths to Bush and whoever was speaking otherwise they were turned away at the gate or not even allowed to purchase tickets or request free tickets.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul31.html

I'm insanely younger than you then, but Oliver Stone does right by me.

Listening to Jessica Jones-Cage arguments about how she didn't want to be forced to wage war against all the little Muslim oil countries who argue with American foreign policy when she should be breast feeding was chilling. The 50 state initiative is about making an army who has no one to fight. When the House Committee of UnAmerican activities (Lead by you know who!) in the 50s told the Justice Society to unmask or Bugger off, well that seemed fine, it's not like everyone didn't accept that they were ignoring the laws against Vigilantism, it was a fair cop. Stark however is going to be bloodtesting and sifting through the entire population until it's effectively segregated to the point when there will be one law for the flatscans and another for the capes, no matter how inactive, docile and benign they are. Hell when Ben Grimm ditched America to live in France just days before the SRA became law, the petty US government froze and seized his bank accounts, which because of a plot twist from those times had billions and billions or dollars sitting in them.

I'm really sad that that hasn't been addressed.
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