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Old July 15 2008, 03:48 PM   #91
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I thought Hellboy II had character development. It wasn't extraordinary character development, but it was existent.
No, it really didn't. There was almost a story there about Red growing up, but really it was just about Liz thinking he wasn't ready when there was nothing in the story that demonstrated he actually wasn't ready. Abe falling in love, likewise. There were plot points, but no actual development. No one changed. Besides all that there were three different Little Bads (the troll thingy with the arm, the elemental and the Golden Army soldiers) who all show up and do nothing but smash things and roar inarticulately. I've already seen the Incredible Hulk this summer...
Sounds like every comic book I've ever read in the last 30 years, honestly.

I don't consider that to be a bad thing from a comic based film named: "Hellboy" to begin with.
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Old July 15 2008, 03:51 PM   #92
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Hellboy 2 edged out Hancock on its second week this past weekend at $34m dollars compared to its $85m + marketing budget. No foreign boxoffice, it seems.

A respectable enough opening, I suppose, I hope it continues to do well and the foreign box-office helps it out some. I'd sure like to see a Hellboy 3.
It made good money, reviews from critics and audiences alike are possitive, so there's a good chance for a part 3.
The down side is that IF if gets part 3, which I hope it does, AND the studio wants to wait on Del Torro to finish his dual Hobbit films it will be about 5-6 years before HB:3 comes to us. So we are looking at 2013 or 2014.

Now they could get another director but really I'd rather wait for Del Torro than get a Ratner like fill in for part three.
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Old July 15 2008, 07:50 PM   #93
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Hellboy 2 edged out Hancock on its second week this past weekend at $34m dollars compared to its $85m + marketing budget. No foreign boxoffice, it seems.

A respectable enough opening, I suppose, I hope it continues to do well and the foreign box-office helps it out some. I'd sure like to see a Hellboy 3.
It made good money, reviews from critics and audiences alike are possitive, so there's a good chance for a part 3.
The down side is that IF if gets part 3, which I hope it does, AND the studio wants to wait on Del Torro to finish his dual Hobbit films it will be about 5-6 years before HB:3 comes to us. So we are looking at 2013 or 2014.

Now they could get another director but really I'd rather wait for Del Torro than get a Ratner like fill in for part three.
It depends also if Del Toro is doing the Hobbit films straight thru or seperate filming schedules. He could easily do the Hobbit if he films straight thru and starts Hellboy 3 while the Hobbit is working on the visual effects.

Wasn't Jackson long done with LOTR by the time Two Towers hit theaters?

Also look how long it took Hellboy 2 to hit production after Hellboy 1.
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Old July 15 2008, 08:04 PM   #94
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It's important to note that time isn't all on our side considering Ron Perlman isn't getting any younger. His already in his mid-50s. He may not be "up" to playing Hellboy in 5-6 years.
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Old July 15 2008, 08:32 PM   #95
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It made good money, reviews from critics and audiences alike are possitive, so there's a good chance for a part 3.
The down side is that IF if gets part 3, which I hope it does, AND the studio wants to wait on Del Torro to finish his dual Hobbit films it will be about 5-6 years before HB:3 comes to us. So we are looking at 2013 or 2014.

Now they could get another director but really I'd rather wait for Del Torro than get a Ratner like fill in for part three.
It depends also if Del Toro is doing the Hobbit films straight thru or seperate filming schedules. He could easily do the Hobbit if he films straight thru and starts Hellboy 3 while the Hobbit is working on the visual effects.
Five years is straight from Del Torro in an interview. Unless he said the shooting of HB:3 was relocated to him. I guess he has time but he will be in New Zealand overseeing so much with editing and Weta's F/X he will have to be in NZ for that whole time. So the only way to get ahead of that 5 years it seems, at current, to move any possible HB:3 shoot to him.
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Old July 16 2008, 06:20 AM   #96
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Watched the first one a few weeks ago to prepare for this new one. Thought it was boring as hell, and the story, if you can call it that, was a giant mess.

Just got back from the theater after seeing the new one, and I think, while slightly better than the first, it was still incredibly mediocre. Everything looked amazing, but the story was just so uninspired and poorly paced.

And for fuck's sake, what is Hellboy's real name? They said it in both movies as if it were some huge reveal that we're supposed to recognize, but I still don't have a clue what they even said. IMO, they're focusing on these random bad guys and big fights with random monsters when they SHOULD be focusing more on Hellboy's character and his destiny.
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Old July 16 2008, 06:28 AM   #97
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Hellboy's real name is Anung un Rama.
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Old July 16 2008, 06:52 AM   #98
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The name has something to do with his burning crown on his head(the one you can't normally see).
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Old July 16 2008, 01:40 PM   #99
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The down side is that IF if gets part 3, which I hope it does, AND the studio wants to wait on Del Torro to finish his dual Hobbit films it will be about 5-6 years before HB:3 comes to us. So we are looking at 2013 or 2014.

Now they could get another director but really I'd rather wait for Del Torro than get a Ratner like fill in for part three.
It depends also if Del Toro is doing the Hobbit films straight thru or seperate filming schedules. He could easily do the Hobbit if he films straight thru and starts Hellboy 3 while the Hobbit is working on the visual effects.
Five years is straight from Del Torro in an interview. Unless he said the shooting of HB:3 was relocated to him. I guess he has time but he will be in New Zealand overseeing so much with editing and Weta's F/X he will have to be in NZ for that whole time. So the only way to get ahead of that 5 years it seems, at current, to move any possible HB:3 shoot to him.
We shall see, I guess.

However, I would assume part 3 may have something to do with what the Angel of Death told Liz in the film about Hellboy's destiny to bring about the end of mankind.
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Old July 16 2008, 02:26 PM   #100
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I'm thinking along those lines as well. That most of what the Angel of Death told Liz would serve as the baseline template for an HB:3. Hellboys destiny and her choosing to save him tied with some personal loss(HB, her kids, both?) should be where an HB:3 is going.
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Old July 21 2008, 09:58 PM   #101
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Just saw it last night.

Pretty good movie, def see the Pan's Labyrinth visuals in there. Interesting story, however...

In the end of it all, Hellboy turned out to be a bit of a sell-out to the demon community, didn't he?
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Old August 5 2008, 08:48 PM   #102
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Although us scum here in Medieval England have been deemed unworty of seeing this until 22 August, six weeks after its US release, there were some special previews today at VUE cinemas
Which I only found out about last night luckily. So I went to see it today, had a double feature with X-Files: IWTB too.
Very good, enjoyed it a lot, the bit with Hellboy holding the baby was awesome.
I went to the Giants Causeway a few weeks ago actually, I wanted to shout out "I've been there!"
Didn't see any big rock monsters though alas
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Although us scum here in Medieval England have been deemed unworty of seeing this until 22 August, six weeks after its US release, there were some special previews today at VUE cinemas
Which I only found out about last night luckily. So I went to see it today, had a double feature with X-Files: IWTB too.
Very good, enjoyed it a lot, the bit with Hellboy holding the baby was awesome.
I went to the Giants Causeway a few weeks ago actually, I wanted to shout out "I've been there!"
Didn't see any big rock monsters though alas
You are supposed to do some sort of happy dance to make the rock monster appear. You'll have to go back and do it again.
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Just saw it last night.

Pretty good movie, def see the Pan's Labyrinth visuals in there. Interesting story, however...

In the end of it all, Hellboy turned out to be a bit of a sell-out to the demon community, didn't he?
well considering some of what happened and certain reactions one could see why.
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I just saw this movie and I guess I have to be one of the dissenting opinions. I liked it but had to give it a below average. It had all the elements of a great movie, but failed to ever put them together enough for me to recommend it. I really really wanted to like this movie because I like DelToro and Mignola is my favorite comic book artist, but it just didn't happen.

There's a lot to like in this movie. It looks fantastic. The universe is rich and imaginative. Ron Perlman is still perfect as hellboy. The villains are compelling and actually a little sympathetic. The action is well choreographed and filmed. I probably would have watched a movie just about the war between the humans and the elves. Everything just looked awesome. In fact, if I watched the movie with the sound off I would have guessed that it was a fantastic film.

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Unfortunately I didn't watch it with the sound off. It just seemed really poorly written to me. The dialog was kind of shitty for a lot of the movie, with people just saying things to move things along. Aside from Abe and Hellboy getting drunk I thought the humor came off as forced and extremely corny. I actually cringed at some of the attempts at humor. The story just seems to go along without any kind of flow. Things just happen to happen as we go from situation to situation without ever getting in to any kind of groove.

Like the whole situation with saving Hellboy. The prince stabs Red and leaves a magic spear tip because he doesn't have time to look for the crown piece. Even though he already killed his dad and dispatched an assload of royal guards, I can accept that. But then they rather clumsily set up a situation where the heroes have to steal a ship and go to this secret island to save red. (Kraus convincing himself to go along was one of the more lazy parts of the movie) Only when they land there, they're matter of factly told by a legless troll that he knows someone who can take it out... because he covets shiny objects. They meet Death, who gives Liz the choice of saving Red, or endangering earth. She chooses Red, Red rips off the bandage, and they decide to go after the Prince anyways. Oh, by the way, the troll was the guy that built the whole golden army. WTF?!

Then there's the whole elemental attack on the city scene. Oh no the prince "batmans" in to the scene and unleashed a monster! But wait, the prince says he's just like you hellboy! Oh no, you shot it and killed it anyways. (Kraus was particularly stupid in this scene. (Keel zem! Shoot eet! Shoot eet in ze het!) But its blood is turning in to plants so I guess it's ok. Or is it? Wait what about... Oh the prince is gone. Oh no the city thinks you're going to eat the baby! Look at how your exposure backfired! Liz does the only thing she's good at, which is getting really hot because she's an uncontrollable female. Wait, lets just go home. The end.

One of the other things that bothered me for some reason was the voice acting. A lot of the characters sounded off to me. Aside from Hellboy and the villain, the voices were either just OK, or sub par. Kraus just sounded like the goldfish from American Dad, and was overall kind of a retarded character. The princess sounded off to me at times, seeming to loose her accent... if she ever actually had one. Jeffry Tambor was too sniveling and skittish for my taste. Even Abe sounded wrong to me.

Other shitty parts included the whole baby saving fiasco (ok guys, lets have Abe, Liz, and an agent escort this lady away from her car in the danger zone, but just leave her baby here so Red can save it later.) and the ensuing "we hate muties" scene, the "I'm a tumor" joke, the pregnancy sub plot, the Abe love story sub plot, and Red exposing himself to the city.

I dunno, maybe I was just in a bad mood, but I did not like this movie and came away pretty disappointed. There was still a lot of stuff I liked in the movie, just didn't enjoy it as a whole.
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