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Old August 18 2008, 01:45 PM   #46
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Re: are Vampires the "Next Big Thing" for '08? Twilight, Tru Calling.

Magiere of the Dhampir series always wears quite frumpy, covering clothes or armour, most of her outfits are not flattering but shes still beautiful. Then again shes a Dhampir not a Vampire so maybe that doesn't count.

And I know Selene always wears tight PVC but its always played down in the movie and its made clear the Death Dealer clan all wear it as a functional basis for other battle gear/layers over the top of it. Cause you know they don't have to breathe, sweat or pee so they can be encased in it as long as necessary.

There is a trend now for them to not be flashy, decadent or seemingly perfect. I'm purposefully ignoring Ultraviolet's "become a Vampire and you turn into a supermodel" thing which is just stupid.
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Old August 18 2008, 02:47 PM   #47
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Re: are Vampires the "Next Big Thing" for '08? Twilight, Tru Calling.

Scifi Channel just posted a non-comprehensive list of "new" shows (not including returning shows) :

(Btw, I've noticed that "Scifi Wire" is lately acting less like a simple "reposting news outlet", and they've started posting special interest features/ OP Ed pieces, like SyfyPortal or AICN....poorly. The morons they hired seem like just a few techies they gave the keys to who have no grasp of TV (ugh)

anyway they list it as (for Fall, thus excluding Dollhouse) in descending odds of success:

  • Fringe
  • Knight Rider
  • Life on Mars
  • Kings
  • My Own Worst Enemy
  • Tru Blood
  • The Ex List
  • Eleventh Hour
Now my problem with this list is that they lump 24-clones into a "scifi" list. But out of this, the "shows to watch out for" seem to be Fringe, and Tru Blood.

I do predict Fringe will flop. As for Tru Blood, I think it will do well, because its an HBO show and thus can be of better quality, but that's a two-edged sword because it also means a smaller audience. Good luck to them.

Knight Rider....as I said before, some idiot execs looked at BSG and said "remakes must be "in" now...". Heck, even Scifi Channel says "yeah, but that didn't work out for Bionic Woman"

"Kings"....doesn't sound inherently bad but very very ambitious; I like it more now that they say its not what I thought it was: guy running around acting out religious myth in everyday life; but is actually an alternate-history story, i.e. its like a modern-day version of the Bible with a modern America (caled "Gilboa") but it has a king and a military commander (David Shepherd, of course) gets invited to court after a military victory. So that DOES sound better than what I'd heard before.


Nonetheless, given that I don't get HBO, my plan is just to watch Tru Blood on DVD, and I have no hope for any of the other "new" scifi shows.

Meanwhile, for once we have GOOD returning shows, and thus I'll be watching Heroes Season 3, Terminator season 2, and Pushing Daisies season 2.

If there is a "next big thing" for the next year I do think its Terminator; what with both the series and movie being out (plus I *love* veteran BSG writer Toni Graphia, who left at the end of season 2 to join Terminator; plus they've got the music of Bear McCreary)
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Old August 18 2008, 04:11 PM   #48
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Re: are Vampires the "Next Big Thing" for '08? Twilight, Tru Calling.

Vampires were the new big thing like ten or twenty years ago.
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Old August 18 2008, 07:20 PM   #49
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Re: are Vampires the "Next Big Thing" for '08? Twilight, Tru Calling.

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Vampires were the new big thing like ten or twenty years ago.
Yes but with three big theatrical releases in as many months featuring them, two or three TV shows in less than a year and a Buffy revival it seems their making a come back.

See? you really can't kill them.
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Old August 18 2008, 07:40 PM   #50
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Vampires were the new big thing like ten or twenty years ago.
Yes but with three big theatrical releases in as many months featuring them, two or three TV shows in less than a year and a Buffy revival it seems their making a come back.

See? you really can't kill them.
At least they have not brought out Vampire Jesus.
He gave his blood for you, now he wants it back.
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Old August 18 2008, 07:51 PM   #51
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PLUS, they've CONFIRMED, yes CONFIRMED that Simpsons Treehouse of Horror 2008 will be a Death Note parody! If that's not Big, what is?!


OMG! is this for real?!? That's amazing b/c although Death Note is a very popular anime, its still anime, one that is unlike Pokemon or Sailor moon kiddie aimed ilk, that most people who don't follow that stuff (even if it was on Adult Swim) would never have heard of, so its really unusual that such a mainstream show like the Simpson's would parody it. Id like to watch this just to see if they do any jabs at anime cliches...
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Old August 18 2008, 08:04 PM   #52
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Re: are Vampires the "Next Big Thing" for '08? Twilight, Tru Calling.

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Vampires were the new big thing like ten or twenty years ago.
Yes but with three big theatrical releases in as many months featuring them, two or three TV shows in less than a year and a Buffy revival it seems their making a come back.

See? you really can't kill them.
At least they have not brought out Vampire Jesus.
He gave his blood for you, now he wants it back.
Uhh, there was a low budget Vampire porn movie with Jesus returning actually.
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Old August 18 2008, 08:12 PM   #53
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Re: are Vampires the "Next Big Thing" for '08? Twilight, Tru Calling.

anyway they list it as (for Fall, thus excluding Dollhouse) in descending odds of success:

  • Fringe
  • Knight Rider
  • Life on Mars
  • Kings
  • My Own Worst Enemy
  • Tru Blood
  • The Ex List
  • Eleventh Hour
I agree with their placement of Eleventh Hour - that's got flop written all over it. But I'm not sanguine about the odds of any of them succeeding, and I think people are overrating Fringe's chances.

And I really, truly hope Knight Rider goes down in flames, just on general principle.

As for Life on Mars, here's a tidbit I didn't know:

ABC finally seems one of the most important aspects of the show--it's not about just nostalgia for the '70s, but nostalgia for the TV of the '70s.
You're kidding me. Urk. Not that I was planning to watch it, but even Harvey Keitel couldn't induce me to bother with a show with a premise that trivial.

Well, the studios ARE going to crank out a lot of Earth-based scifi series in the *hopes* of making the next big thing on the cheap, but none of them will succeed.
They already have succeeded. The most-watch sci fi shows currently on the air are all in this category: Lost, Heroes, Sarah Connor Chronicles, Chuck. Or CW's babies: Supernatural, Smallville, Reaper. Pushing Daisies is the most out-there show in terms of setting, but it's still nominally Earth, and I'd call that more fantasy than sci fi anyway.

What you should have complained about is that I cheated by making the category so absurdly large that of course it would turn out I was "right." And I wouldn't be surprised if one or two succeeded, anyway...but the next big thing has not really materialized, based on either the current successful shows, or the new ones being tried out. What is obvious is that everyone is scared of space-based sci fi.
As for Warehouse 13 and Revolution: more guaranteed flops from the Skiffy Channel: I literally turned off my TV in abject disgust after watching the Eureka pilot
The Eureka pilot was too lightweight for me, too, but there's an audience for that kind of stuff. Skiffy is going to slot Warehouse 13 in the lightweight category. Revolution looks like it's destined for the heavyweight BSG-style division, along with Caprica. There's nothing wrong with having a two-pronged strategy like this; it shows smart thinking on Skiffy's part (I guess it had to happen eventually, huh?)

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Old August 19 2008, 07:31 AM   #54
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Re: are Vampires the "Next Big Thing" for '08? Twilight, Tru Calling.

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PLUS, they've CONFIRMED, yes CONFIRMED that Simpsons Treehouse of Horror 2008 will be a Death Note parody! If that's not Big, what is?!


OMG! is this for real?!? That's amazing b/c although Death Note is a very popular anime, its still anime, one that is unlike Pokemon or Sailor moon kiddie aimed ilk, that most people who don't follow that stuff (even if it was on Adult Swim) would never have heard of, so its really unusual that such a mainstream show like the Simpson's would parody it. Id like to watch this just to see if they do any jabs at anime cliches...
Not quite, actually.

It has not been confirmed as the actual televised Treehouse of Horror for 2008. It will be in the Treehouse of Horror comic series for 2008. Big difference.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...th-note-parody
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Old August 19 2008, 07:54 AM   #55
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Re: are Vampires the "Next Big Thing" for '08? Twilight, Tru Calling.

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Are "Vampires" the "Next Big Thing"?

That is, the Next Big Cultural Thing for the next year to perhaps two or three years.

When X-Men 1 came out there was a big comic-book superhero craze. This really hit rock bottom with (ugh) Spiderman 3, but was rejuvenated by Iron Man and The Dark Knight, etc.
This is...well sort of wrong. And simplistic. The big comic-book superhero craze was actually started by Blade. This was a major surprise hit for Marvel, who were putting feelers out there to see how people would respond to a comic book character being adapted right. Before that you had some success with Batman before the abysmal Batman and Robin. You also had some indy flicks like Dick Tracy being a success and being able to adapt comic/superheros to screen.

Or in the early 2000's, there was this great big shock at the NEWness of Lord of the Rings and the Harry Potter series. LOTR has already finished, and Harry Potter while still a successful franchise now doesn't quite catch the "it's on the front page of every magazine" and the FAST pace of HP film #2 coming out in 2002, then book #5 coming out in 2003, then film #4 coming out in 2004. HP is still doing well but its what "catches the public attention"
Again yes and no. LotR and Harry Potter captured the fantasy movement but also book adaption and epics in general. Hence why Beowolf came out and such.

So, are "Vampire movies and TV series" the "Next Big Thing"?
Yes and no. I believe it is a fad, similar to the others but it's cyclic. Vampires, werewolves, Frankenstein monster, mummies aren't exactly...how do you say new? No, that wouldn't be right. I don't think it will be the next big thing because it's always been a big thing. Vampires have always been part of the myth and lore of story telling. It's the way they are told that is different.

Are you a fan of either of these series? If not, do you think they hold promise?
Nope but that doesn't mean I won't peek. I think they do hold promise now that Harry Potter mania has died and people move on. It is very rare that a book store holds midnight parties, but they did for Potter, they did for Twilight's new book Breaking Dawn, and I believe they will do the same for Eragon. The fact that these books translate to the Potter 'generation', kids getting into Harry Potter and that fantasy and looking for another fantasy book adapting in modern time is very key here. The fact they are of age when Potter is now ending is major.
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Frankly, none of the descriptions I hear make sense. Essentially, she loves this total dick of a vampire, and clings to him throughout the series even though he never actually does anything nice to her. Pay attention girls, this is what a relationship should be!
Yeah, according to EW's review (they gave it a d, or an f, can't recall now) she gets pregnant with the vamp guy's baby & refuses to abort it even though its practically killing her (she's puking blood & it kicks so strong it breaks her ribs). He begs her to abort it but she refuses b/c she loves him so much & all. And teen girls are eating this up. Lovely.
No kidding! We need to get them into healthy stories like one about a brooding, violent rich guy who flaunts the law to beat the hell out of people, inspiring criminals to madness and resulting in the love of his life getting blown to pieces. 'Cause I sure have seen a hell of a lot of boys eating that up over the last few weeks...
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This is...well sort of wrong. And simplistic. The big comic-book superhero craze was actually started by Blade.

Which was also a vampire movie!

(And inspired yet another vampire-themed tv series.)
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Frankly, none of the descriptions I hear make sense. Essentially, she loves this total dick of a vampire, and clings to him throughout the series even though he never actually does anything nice to her. Pay attention girls, this is what a relationship should be!
Yeah, according to EW's review (they gave it a d, or an f, can't recall now) she gets pregnant with the vamp guy's baby & refuses to abort it even though its practically killing her (she's puking blood & it kicks so strong it breaks her ribs). He begs her to abort it but she refuses b/c she loves him so much & all. And teen girls are eating this up. Lovely.
No kidding! We need to get them into healthy stories like one about a brooding, violent rich guy who flaunts the law to beat the hell out of people, inspiring criminals to madness and resulting in the love of his life getting blown to pieces. 'Cause I sure have seen a hell of a lot of boys eating that up over the last few weeks...
Thanks a lot for the spoiler. Why is that six month rule so hard for people to remember?
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PLUS, they've CONFIRMED, yes CONFIRMED that Simpsons Treehouse of Horror 2008 will be a Death Note parody! If that's not Big, what is?!


OMG! is this for real?!? That's amazing b/c although Death Note is a very popular anime, its still anime, one that is unlike Pokemon or Sailor moon kiddie aimed ilk, that most people who don't follow that stuff (even if it was on Adult Swim) would never have heard of, so its really unusual that such a mainstream show like the Simpson's would parody it. Id like to watch this just to see if they do any jabs at anime cliches...
Well....alright, THIS picture is a very popular fanart that has been circulating around the internet...

but YES, they have confirmed that TreeHouse of Horror 2008 is going to parody Death Note!
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I'm not meaning to nitpick (and I'm not sure why I even care about this), but is it not True Blood (with the "u"), and not "Tru"? I get confused every time V spells it that way...
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