Do you love or hate the Ferengi episodes, overall?

[indranee]

love them. except Ferengi Love Songs and Profit and Lace.

[Starbreaker]

They're just kind of there. They don't bother me, but I'm never enthused to watch one.

[ninetofive]

Python Trek wrote:

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Actually, there's only one Ferengi ep. that I don't like: Profit and Lace. It was bad. Threshold bad. Nemesis bad. Very bad, in other words.

But y'know, it's sort of strange to me that people forget sometimes that Trek is often at its best when it's doing comedy. How about TOS's tribbles, McCoy's sarcasm, A Piece of the Action, nearly any line spoken by Chekov, etc.? TNG's A Fistful of Datas, lots of Geordi/Data schtick, Guinan stuff? DS9's Bashir/Garak lunches, O'Brien's exasperation at just about everything, Dax's one-liners? VOY's EMH, Tom and Harry bantering?......Trek is pretty damn funny, sometimes!

I absolutely agree. A large part of the appeal for me is the humour. Some people, like myself, just don't find the Zek brand of humour funny. I like comedy films in general, but I hate the recent spate of stupid, low-brow comedies starring any member of "The Twat Pack", namely Will Ferrel, Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider, Eddie Murphie (Nutty Professor style stuff), Steve Carell and the original: Jim Carey. (Although Judd Apatow is partially responsible for the quality of many of their movies.)

[ninetofive]

It's actually closer than I thought, now that I've done a fully inventory.

Bad Ferengi Episodes:
1. The Nagus
2. Rules of Acquisition
3. Prophet Motive
4. Ferengi Love Songs
5. Magnificent Ferengi
6. Profit and Lace
7. Emperor's New Cloak

Good Ferengi Episodes:
1. Family Business
2. Bar Association
3. Little Green Men
4. Body Parts
5. Business As Usual.

Someone mentioned House of Quark, but I don't consider it or Par'mach to be 'Ferengi' episodes. But I like them both, so if I were to include them, it would actually be 7 vs. 7.

[Nerys Ghemor]

ninetofive wrote:

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I like comedy films in general, but I hate the recent spate of stupid, low-brow comedies starring any member of "The Twat Pack", namely Will Ferrel, Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider, Eddie Murphie (Nutty Professor style stuff), Steve Carell and the original: Jim Carey. (Although Judd Apatow is partially responsible for the quality of many of their movies.)

OH MAN, I just about fell out of my chair at that one!!!

Permission to use this in other venues, PLEASE!!!

Being a fan of the original Rat Pack, not only was the pun great but the contrast itself was just...WOW.

I am SO glad I'm not the only one who despises those guys.

Though I make an exception for Steve Carell...I can deal with him, but not any of the others.

[ninetofive]

Permission to use this in other venues, PLEASE!!!

Permission granted. Spread the meme.

[Nedersong]

The Ferengi were neutered, when they were completely reduced to comedic relief, not to mention just becoming another Federation. I mean come on. Not all beings want to be the federation or humanesque.

It gets tiresome seeing Trek neuter an alien race just because prudes get all upset that it's presenting the children with negative stereotypes and is harmful to children crap.

[Magisterfrodo]

I didn't vote as there wasn't an in-between option. I used to hate them. When I bought the DVDs and watched them through, I warmed up to the Ferengi episodes a little. I no longer hate them, but they are not among my favorites.

[Photon]

I've grown to like these episodes.

[Eric Cheung]

ninetofive wrote:

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I like comedy films in general, but I hate the recent spate of stupid, low-brow comedies starring any member of "The Twat Pack", namely Will Ferrel, Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider, Eddie Murphie (Nutty Professor style stuff), Steve Carell and the original: Jim Carey. (Although Judd Apatow is partially responsible for the quality of many of their movies.)

Are you referring to the so-called Frat Pack? If so, that's generally considered a different group of people than those you cited. In addition to Judd Apatow it generally includes Luke and Owen Wilson, Vince Vaughn, Will Ferrell, Jack Black, Ben Stiller, and Steve Carell.

I think the Apatow movies are seriously very good. They sort of combine the vulgar with intelligently crafted, well-developed characters I can invest in and care about, kind of like Kevin Smith but better. Steve Carell is solid in just about everything he does. Ben Stiller and Will Ferrell are hit or miss, as are the Wilson brothers.

Of the other people you mentioned, I think Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey have done some good work, Rob Schneider hasn't done much I care for and yeah, Eddie Murphy generally makes awful movies now but was great years ago.

[Navaros]

PKTrekGirl wrote:

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The Ferengi episodes are sorta much more extreme when the rest of DS9 because they were all intended to be funny. And so when they were good, they were generally very, very good...and when they were bad they were horrible.

I don't always dig the intended "funniness" of the Ferengi episodes either. But even in episodes where I ain't appreciating the "funny", I can always find something to appreciate about Shimerman's, Eisenberg's, Grodénchik's and Combs' performances. IMO their great acting almost always keeps the episodes fascinating regardless of if the plot is semi-weak, or not as funny as intended.

[indranee]

ninetofive wrote:

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It's actually closer than I thought, now that I've done a fully inventory.

Bad Ferengi Episodes:
1. The Nagus
2. Rules of Acquisition
3. Prophet Motive
4. Ferengi Love Songs
5. Magnificent Ferengi
6. Profit and Lace
7. Emperor's New Cloak

Good Ferengi Episodes:
1. Family Business
2. Bar Association
3. Little Green Men
4. Body Parts
5. Business As Usual.

Someone mentioned House of Quark, but I don't consider it or Par'mach to be 'Ferengi' episodes. But I like them both, so if I were to include them, it would actually be 7 vs. 7.

are you joking? The Magnificent Ferengi is a fantastic episode!

[Anthony Sabre]

indranee wrote:

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are you joking? The Magnificent Ferengi is a fantastic episode!

No kidding. That one along with Business As Usual are my two fave Ferengi episodes.

[ninetofive]

are you joking? The Magnificent Ferengi is a fantastic episode!

Are you shitting me?

[Nemesis]

I love almost every DS9 episode.. the only ferengi episode I don't like is (season two episode) with that female ferengi playing as a man.. just because it's stupid..