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Old August 13 2008, 10:06 PM   #31
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Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?

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What I didn't like was the ending...getting the old codger off the ship in a shuttlecraft so he'd quit bugging Geordi was kind of lame.
I didn't like the ending either. It seemed a lot like the Eskimos putting their elderly on icebergs and pushing them off to sea.
Yeah, you get the sense that the shuttle is rigged to space him and return on autopilot right after the closing credits.
Ah, no. Giving a respected retired officer use of a shuttlecraft doesn't sound to me like the bum's rush. Scotty wanted to get back to work, as he indicates toward the end. They gave him one of their shuttles so he could do that.

As a captain of engineering, I wonder what kind of project he'd be involved in if he reactivated his Starfleet commission -- after some time catching up on his technical manuals, of course!

And what uniform would he wear? Me, I think it would be similar to the Picard variant uniform, with the jacket in black and operations gold and the black-and-gray tunic underneath.

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Old August 13 2008, 10:24 PM   #32
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Just watched "Relics" tonight. I was so excited for this crossover when it first aired in 1992. Watching it again, I'm reminded what a bummer this episode turned out to be even though it had much potential.

Ron Moore sure threw out some TOS love with the references to Kirk and especially the real fanboy references to "By Any other Name". "Elaan of Troyus" and a couple other old episodes.

However, Moore didn't reference that Scotty was a rockstar engineer and a known part of Starfleet history. I was disappointed that Geordi and Picard didn't immediately recognize Scotty. A little recognition and props for being the legendary "miracle worker" It seemed like they knew Kirk and the Enterprise, but Scotty got sold short in terms of name recognition.

Did anyone else feel this way? It made the whole useless old guy story line even more depressing.
I didn't read through all of the posts, but I suggest you read the novel. it goes into more detail that a one-hour story can't. Scotty really was out of his element by the 24th Century.
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Old August 13 2008, 11:10 PM   #33
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Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?

The ending is odd to me too.

"Well then, I thought you were going to buy me a drink in Ten-Forward."
"Actually, I had a better idea."

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Old August 13 2008, 11:43 PM   #34
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Then again knowing Scotty that shuttlecraft is probably more capable than the Enterprise-D is within a week.
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Old August 14 2008, 12:18 AM   #35
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Then again knowing Scotty that shuttlecraft is probably more capable than the Enterprise-D is within a week.
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Old August 14 2008, 12:56 AM   #36
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Old August 14 2008, 01:33 AM   #37
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Gods save us from a Trek story where modern Trek characters fawn over TOS characters. That's not drama, it's fanboy wish fulfillment verging on masturbation.

"Relics" was wonderful because for the very first (and last) time in the history of "Star Trek" James Doohan was the central actor and star of a Trek production (that episode about "Redjack?" Don't make me laugh). The episode honored Doohan and gave him an opportunity to show what he was capable of in a "Star Trek" story, so who cares whether "Scotty" was properly worshipped or not?

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Old August 14 2008, 04:11 AM   #38
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Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?

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Geordi probably skipped class when they talked about Scotty...same as he skipped class when they talked about how to eject the warp core.

Maybe.

Then again ST: Generations made the whole, damned, TNG crew look incompetent.
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Old August 14 2008, 04:13 AM   #39
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Gods save us from a Trek story where modern Trek characters fawn over TOS characters. That's not drama, it's fanboy wish fulfillment verging on masturbation.

"Relics" was wonderful because for the very first (and last) time in the history of "Star Trek" he was the central actor and star of a Trek production (that episode about "Redjack?" Don't make me laugh). The episode honored Doohan and gave him an opportunity to show what he was capable of in a "Star Trek" story, so who cares whether "Scotty" was properly worshipped or not?
I couldn't agree more. Relics was a brilliant episode, easily one of the top 5. Hell, reports say it made the Directors wife cry, and she's not a Trekkie it was so good.
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Old August 14 2008, 12:09 PM   #40
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Geordi probably skipped class when they talked about Scotty...same as he skipped class when they talked about how to eject the warp core.

Maybe.

Then again ST: Generations made the whole, damned, TNG crew look incompetent.
It wasn't just Generations...it was a pattern that developed throughout the show. Every one of the many times that the ship was threatened with a warp core breach, they either never mentioned ejecting it, or gave some vague excuse as to why it couldn't be done. They put a safety system in there and then constantly make excuses why it won't work. So it became my humorous contention that Geordi was hiding the fact that he never learned how to eject the warp core.
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Old August 15 2008, 07:47 AM   #41
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Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?

That would be pretty consistent with most of the preceding Trek, though. In TNG, and perhaps TOS, warp core ejection is only a theoretical possibility that really spells doom for the ship one way or another, be it a horrible instant kaboom or a long freezing to death. Many real-world "safety systems" are like that, simply because it is impossible to build anything better.

It's only in VOY that we first begin to get the impression that the system might actually work as intended. Perhaps the engineers vanquished the impossible in the decades between the construction of the respective hero ships?

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