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Old August 12 2008, 10:04 PM   #31
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Re: Uniform Differences

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I suppose the only thing you could say for Spiderman, Superman et all is that they only had to make one outfit (although they probably made plenty of spares) as opposed the the hundreds they made this time out. I've no idea the costs involved in creating a delta shield-esqe fabric off the shelf. I assume its a relatively simple process but I honestly have no idea.

I think we need a fabric expert. Do we have a fabric expert on the board? There's never a fabric expert when you need one.

I can't believe I'm discussing fabric.
In order to create a new weave, you have to createa new weaving process and, in most cases, create new weaving machinery to produce it. And it's not a trivial task to come up with a weaving pattern.

I've never dealt with this for clothing purposes, but I've dealt with composites using woven fabric meshes integrated into them. In these cases, it's critical to get the "weave" exactly right for mechanical purposes, as you can certainly guess.

To create a new weaving process would probably run in the range of between 3 and 5 million dollars. Unless, as I said, they got lucky and found a fabric which already had the right shape in it already, purely by coincidence.

Now, if the shirts are some form of polymer-blend (rayon/polyester, for instance) they could theoretically "iron in" the patterns... essentially, do a small local melt of the fabric fibers to give it a little "sheen" in various locations. This would be practical, but the fabric would be compromised in terms of its strength... meaning that the tunics would probably only last through three wearings (and washings) before they'd need replacement.

But, again, the ONLY time this has ever been done in the past was with what were literally "rubber suits."

Furthermore... think about it... who's going to NOTICE the little symbols in the fabric? If the audience is bored enough by the STORY to be paying attention to the FABRIC WEAVING... then as far as I'm concerned, this'll mean that we have a true BOMB on our hands.

Only us... the "hardcore fans"... will even really care that the costumes are blue, red, and an earth-tone gold... and that's as it should be.

If even the FANS give a flying @#$* about "little symbols" in the fabric... and worse yet, if the production team WANTS US to give a flying @#$* about that... the production is doomed!
I still can't believe we are discussing fabric. Fabric. Man, we are fucking nerds...

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Old August 12 2008, 10:05 PM   #32
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With computerized weaving and weaving pattern software out there, would creating a small and tight Starfleet shield pattern in fabric really be much more complicated than doing a fancy herringbone or hounds tooth pattern?
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Old August 13 2008, 02:02 AM   #33
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With computerized weaving and weaving pattern software out there, would creating a small and tight Starfleet shield pattern in fabric really be much more complicated than doing a fancy herringbone or hounds tooth pattern?
There's been a lot of innovation in textile weaving and printing technology. This is far from the first time this has been done for a movie - it's a cool thing, but not challenging from a technical or budget POV on a film of this scale.
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Old August 13 2008, 02:15 AM   #34
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...It was mentioned in this article at TrekMovie that it is indeed a fabric pattern...
Sorta:

As TrekMovie’s closer look at the new poster reveals (above), the colored uniform blouses have small ‘delta shield’ emblems woven into the fabric (this is most apparent on Saldana’s)
That just means: "Hey, we looked at the poster and saw a delta pattern."

That is no more authoritative than anyone else looking at the poster.
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We have actually known about the delta woven into ALL the uniforms for quite a while, it is just now that we can show it
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Old August 13 2008, 02:19 AM   #35
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We have actually known about the delta woven into ALL the uniforms for quite a while, it is just now that we can show it
You knew it all along?! And you didn't tell us? What kind of news site are you?





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There's been a lot of innovation in textile weaving and printing technology. This is far from the first time this has been done for a movie - it's a cool thing, but not challenging from a technical or budget POV on a film of this scale.
Indeed. Just as an example (Cary... ), LucasFilm had custom patterned fabric woven for the Jedi robes in the prequel films. Some enterprising fans even joined forces and hired a company to recreate the weave for sale to other fans interested in making costumes; so it's clearly expensive, but not so much that it's beyond the reach of a movie studio, or even a few die-hard fans.
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Old August 13 2008, 05:46 AM   #37
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I don't think the delta shield is weaved into the fabric, it's probably silk screened on.
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Old August 13 2008, 01:17 PM   #38
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It might just be part of the movie poster art. The whole promotion so far has focused on the delta shield. I doubt that the actors actually will have little delta shields in their eyes in the film -- that's just part of the artwork. So too could be the delta pattern on the uniforms here to give them some texture. I am not convinced that's the actually fabric pattern in the film.
It was mentioned in this article at TrekMovie that it is indeed a fabric pattern. That detail and others from the article were discussed in this thread, which also contains links to images in which the fabric pattern can be clearly made out.

The delta shields in the eyes most likely will not be seen in the film. That's just ad stuff.
I read through the entire thread (as it was being written) which you refer to, and either I missed the post showing the shield-in-weaving or it wasn't really there...

I remember that in the old board software it was quite easy to link to a specific post inside a specific thread. I haven't tried that since the change-over, but it seems likely that it wouldn't be much different... so perhaps you can link to the specific post?

Also... why isn't this evident in the Quinto-as-Spock image? His costume's "over-shirt" looks, simply, like velour, doesn't it?

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Why would it be lame?
Or lamé?
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Old August 13 2008, 05:01 PM   #40
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I've noticed that the new uniform's material has the Trek logo pattern embossed throughout for Uhura, Scotty, McCoy, Sulu, and Chekov, but not for Spock (maybe not for Kirk as well).

Is this something subtle they're doing interconnected to the ranks? Officers vs. Enlisted?
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Ok, since there seems to alot of aggrement/conformation about the "delta texture" to the uniforms.

This goes back to my original post: Why does the texture seem to be missing from Spock's shirt?
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Also... why isn't this evident in the Quinto-as-Spock image? His costume's "over-shirt" looks, simply, like velour, doesn't it?
http://www.trekmovie.com/images/trekmovieposter1.jpg
I too do not see the pattern on Spock's shirt and I am thinking it may be his shirt was not created by whoever created the Starfleet uniforms. I mean, (in story) the Vulcan's supply their own with custom uniforms which meet the special requirements (need to be warmer) for Vulcan's in the Fleet. Also, the use of patterned material, along with being "illogical" may inhibit the insulating quality of the material used but more likely - they just want to be different.
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Old August 13 2008, 05:12 PM   #41
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^^^

Patterns are illogical. Solid colors are the logical choice.
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Old August 13 2008, 05:12 PM   #42
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Why would it be lame?
Or lamé?
It would be gold lame. Or avocado green lame as it's known among Trekkies.
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Old August 13 2008, 05:24 PM   #43
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I read through the entire thread (as it was being written) which you refer to, and either I missed the post showing the shield-in-weaving or it wasn't really there...

I remember that in the old board software it was quite easy to link to a specific post inside a specific thread. I haven't tried that since the change-over, but it seems likely that it wouldn't be much different... so perhaps you can link to the specific post?
My mistake. While it was mentioned in a post fairly early on in that thread, the discussion I was thinking of took place in a different thread, starting with this post. (No one could see the delta-shield pattern on Spock's tunic there, either.) There are at least a couple of links to pages containing high-resolution copies of the poster images. Have a look and see what you think.
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Old August 13 2008, 05:34 PM   #44
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Patterns are illogical. Solid colors are the logical choice.
Well then, they're being illogical.

Imagine that.
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Old August 13 2008, 06:35 PM   #45
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Patterns are illogical. Solid colors are the logical choice.
Well then, they're being illogical.

Imagine that.
That's the new film's explanation for why Vulcans disapprove of Starfleet: illogical uniforms.
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