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Old August 8 2008, 10:44 PM   #106
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Re: Albums bands might've wished they hadn't made.

I was made for lovin you Baby. Now there's a musical direction change.
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Old August 9 2008, 06:30 AM   #107
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Zeppelin's Presence and Coda.

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Coda was a rushed out b-sides and outtakes collection - I don't think it's fair to say they should have never have released it. There's some good songs on there at any rate.
Listening to Coda, you can hear why those cuts were never finished or never ended up on finished albums. There were some good ideas and some of them could have become good tracks, but there were some dead ends and a lot of dross which would have had to be refined out. Sometimes it's just better to start over -- toss out something which isn't really working and write a new one.

I don't quite get the rap against Presence, though. No, it isn't their strongest album -- "Royal Orleans" is kind of a throwaway and "Tea for One" really sounds like them having another bash at "Since I've Been Loving You" -- but there's plenty of meat there and "Achilles' Last Stand" and "Nobody's Fault But Mine" can't be mistaken for anything but solid Zeppelin. Great show live, too.
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Old August 9 2008, 03:19 PM   #108
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I love every second of Presence!
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Old August 9 2008, 03:33 PM   #109
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Stevie Wonder: Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants

After four incredibly great records (Talking Book, Innervisions, Fullfillingness' First Finale, Songs In The Key Of Life), this double record dog came out. Fortunately, it was followed by another terrific record, Hotter Than July.
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Old August 9 2008, 05:03 PM   #110
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Metallica - St Anger
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, that album was boring. And it contained some of the worst lyrics; even for Metallica. "My lifestyle determines my deathstyle?"
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Old August 9 2008, 06:05 PM   #111
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Stevie Wonder: Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants

After four incredibly great records (Talking Book, Innervisions, Fullfillingness' First Finale, Songs In The Key Of Life), this double record dog came out. Fortunately, it was followed by another terrific record, Hotter Than July.


When I was a kid, I played Songs in the Key of Life until it unravelled in my cassette player. One of the best albums ever.

Then when ...Plants came out I rushed to record store to get it. I remember thinking "what the hell is this?? A documentary film soundtrack written by a blind man?!!?"

Yeah...
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Old August 10 2008, 06:50 AM   #112
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Since Phil Spector, reportedly, held them hostage at gun point during some of the session - and he spent hours and hours making them play the same songs and even notes over and over until deep into the morning - I imagine the Ramones can't be to fond of their End of the Century experience. Particularly since it was poorly recieved by the fans.
Leonard Cohen had a similar experience when recording Death of a Ladies' Man; after a whirlwind session of writing and recording, when Cohen finished recording his vocals, Spector had armed guards remove Cohen from the studio and then mixed the album entirely on his own.

What a daffy shit, that Phil Spector.
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Old August 10 2008, 11:45 PM   #113
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Since Phil Spector, reportedly, held them hostage at gun point during some of the session - and he spent hours and hours making them play the same songs and even notes over and over until deep into the morning - I imagine the Ramones can't be to fond of their End of the Century experience. Particularly since it was poorly recieved by the fans.
This was one of the first records that came to my mind upon seeing the thread title. I think the difficulties (to put it mildly) of working with Spector probably soured them on the album, sure, though perhaps Joey may have been better disposed toward the record. He got the chance to work with one of his idols, and to do some of the more pop-oriented stuff he liked. The rest of the boys didn't seem too hot on it, especially Johnny (who famously said, "What are you gonna do, Phil, shoot me?" when he left after tiring of playing the opening chord to "Rock 'n' Roll High School" for the zillionth time). I don't think Johnny much cared for the overproduced sound of the album or the poppier direction, either.
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Old August 11 2008, 12:37 AM   #114
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March of the saint, by Armored Saint was ruined by the producer. They weren't even allowed in the mixing room when it was being done. Their 1st 3 song mini lp sounded way better. John Bush,( singer), went on to join Anthrax, & was also asked to join Metallica. They should've been semi big to compete with the big 3, Anthrax, Slayer, & Metallica. But didn't get a Rick Rubin sort of producer & didn't get the sound they needed. Nuge called em Monsters, & they were. I saw em at the Troubadour in their very early days.

Speaking of the Troubadour, Nikki Sixx said of Slayer; Oh my god, these guys will never get past the Troubadour.
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Old August 11 2008, 12:47 AM   #115
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Since Phil Spector, reportedly, held them hostage at gun point during some of the session - and he spent hours and hours making them play the same songs and even notes over and over until deep into the morning - I imagine the Ramones can't be to fond of their End of the Century experience. Particularly since it was poorly recieved by the fans.
Leonard Cohen had a similar experience when recording Death of a Ladies' Man; after a whirlwind session of writing and recording, when Cohen finished recording his vocals, Spector had armed guards remove Cohen from the studio and then mixed the album entirely on his own.

What a daffy shit, that Phil Spector.
How did Spector get away with that? Couldn't the guys have gone to the police?
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Old August 11 2008, 03:10 AM   #116
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Since Phil Spector, reportedly, held them hostage at gun point during some of the session - and he spent hours and hours making them play the same songs and even notes over and over until deep into the morning - I imagine the Ramones can't be to fond of their End of the Century experience. Particularly since it was poorly recieved by the fans.
Leonard Cohen had a similar experience when recording Death of a Ladies' Man; after a whirlwind session of writing and recording, when Cohen finished recording his vocals, Spector had armed guards remove Cohen from the studio and then mixed the album entirely on his own.

What a daffy shit, that Phil Spector.
How did Spector get away with that? Couldn't the guys have gone to the police?
Spector, as I recall, owned his own studio at the time. At that point, it's private property, and there's nothing wrong with enforcing those property rights.
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Old August 11 2008, 03:12 AM   #117
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Spector, as I recall, owned his own studio at the time. At that point, it's private property, and there's nothing wrong with enforcing those property rights.
So he could just hold people at gunpoint for whatever reason he felt like, as long as it was his property?
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Old August 11 2008, 03:15 AM   #118
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Spector, as I recall, owned his own studio at the time. At that point, it's private property, and there's nothing wrong with enforcing those property rights.
So he could just hold people at gunpoint for whatever reason he felt like, as long as it was his property?
I was referring to the simple fact of his removal of Leonard Cohen from the studio: Spector, as a property owner, was within his legal rights to eject anyone from his property. (I don't agree with his methods, and they certainly could have been legally challenged, but if I own property and I want you off, you have to get the hell off unless you want to be slapped with a trespassing charge.)

I would expect you, one of the most rabidly conservative members of this board, to realize that.
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Old August 11 2008, 03:34 AM   #119
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Spector had to be escorted to & very quickly OFFstage at an awards show. He was way drunk & out of control & mumbled I don't get it? I don't get it? before being hustled off.

Here is John Bush's pipes for anyone vaguely interested. Chris Cornell & to a degree Ronnie James Dio come to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEyFq...eature=related
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I was referring to the simple fact of his removal of Leonard Cohen from the studio.
What about his treatment of the Ramones?
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