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Old July 19 2008, 01:07 AM   #181
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Ditto for me as well.
Add me to the list. I felt that way as well.
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Old July 19 2008, 02:02 AM   #182
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There should be a fucking excellent option!!!!!!!! Best comic book movie ever! Heath Ledger was brilliant as the Joker. Such a shame he died. People clapped and whooped when his name came up during the credits. He made Jack's Joker look like Ceasar Romero's Joker.:techman :
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Old July 19 2008, 02:03 AM   #183
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That's a good point though I didn't catch that watching. Another one is why Joker was suddenly free after making his phone call.
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Old July 19 2008, 02:06 AM   #184
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I saw it but am unsure if Dent survived the fall in the film's final moments. Can someone help?
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Old July 19 2008, 02:07 AM   #185
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Joker: I just want my phone call.

*police officer with gun looks puzzled*

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Old July 19 2008, 02:20 AM   #186
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Another thing this movie did well was setting up the Joker as Batman's arch-nemesis eventhough he's only appearing in the second movie, after Ra's, Crane and Falcone had their shot at him. How they would pull that off, or even if they'd be able to do it has been on my mind for a while now.
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Old July 19 2008, 02:22 AM   #187
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I saw it but am unsure if Dent survived the fall in the film's final moments. Can someone help?
It's left pretty "clear" from the movie's point of view that Harvey had died but we're not told, conifrmatively either way.

It's entirely possible the Mayor and Gordon set up the public vigil to continue a ruse that Dent had died and they really have Two-Faced locked up in Arkham or some other secret location.

I loved the moments with Joker hanging upside down monologuing to Bats, it was a great speech especially with "I think we're destined to do this for a long time." Another great moment.
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Old July 19 2008, 03:39 AM   #188
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As of this posting, the IMDb has The Dark Knight as the #3 best movie of all time after The Godfather and The Shawshank Redemption.
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Old July 19 2008, 03:48 AM   #189
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Below average. Loved Harvey Dent, his looks and all his characterization and development (other than him dieing) but otherwise
-As in the first film, Gotham looked too nice and here there were too many daylight scenes.
-Bruce Wayne was definitely lost amidst the ensemble (I thought Oldman was pretty bland in both films, although he was OK when he was threatened at the end), the line "But Rachel" sounded really bad.
-Scarecrow was good but I was real disappointed that he didn't appear later on.
-Too loud and explosive.
-Ledger's voice reminded me too much of Nicholson+Palance+Jones; "I'm a man of my word" and a few other lines (his story about his wife, this city needs better villains) were OK but otherwise too little humor (a joke as he was firing his guns at Dent's car would have made the character more unpredictable and all the noises less intolerable) or presence and too one-note.
-Why'd Joker leave the fundraiser/Batman not go back up after he fell? Him telling Bats the locations after he bragged he wouldn't was also weak, it was inconsistent and just needed for there to be the dilemma. Why couldn't Bats go to one place and the police to another (or some police to one place and some to the other)?
-Gyllenhaal was an OK imitation, but the character direction (maybe it was me trying to play writer, but it seemed like a lot of missed opportunities) and her acting was too annoying.
-The vigilante debate at the dinner reminded me of the 60s series and BF, kiddy & old-fashioned
-Alfred/Caine was so condescending when he explained to Rachel
-The criminal being mean & brave enough to do the Right Thing was cheesy; the guy on the other ferry asking to and then not being able to was presented badly.
-It was so ham-fisted, repetitive in its themes of cop corruption and the Joker being a contrarian.
-Having the villain captured midway through, esp. in this lackluster way, increased the TV feel.
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Old July 19 2008, 03:51 AM   #190
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Similar moments were the mayor's eye makeup and Bale's gravelly Batman voice which wasn't working so well in the final moments of the picture.
I'm not sure if that was makeup or if Nestor Carbonell just has naturally dark eyes, since he looks exactly the same when he's on Lost.
Carbonell's eyes look like that in everything I've seen him in so I think it's natural.

Awesome movie. I thought that Batman Begins was the best superhero movie ever but I think that TDK just tops it.

Who saw it on IMAX? I went to an Imax showing and it was good. However I was a bit close (second row) so unfortunately I missed some stuff like the pencil going into the guy. I missed it since it was off to my side. I need to see it again!

Also what exactly did Gordon tell his son at the end? I only caught part of it since the dialog was a bit muffled because the sound level in the theater was too high and it distorted some of the dialoge at times.

The resolution to the ferry bombs was awesome. It brought a tear to my eye. Both actors played their parts well when they refused to blow the other ferry up. Good acting from some bit players.

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I liked Katie better than Maggie as Rachel though to be fair the role was the weakest written in both films.

I liked the guy who played Lau. What's his name? The Hong Kong stuff was really well done.

The biggest cheer moments for my audience was the semi flipping over and the Joker pen trick. Biggest applause moment was the Heath Ledger credit and the dedication to him. He was utterly fantastic and mesmerizing as the Joker. Such a shame he died so young. He deserved to have heard all the praise going to him for this.


edit I also don't want to forget about Aaron Eckhart's fantastic performance as Harvey Dent/Two-Face. The guy totally nailed it. Great stuff.

It will really be challenging for Nolan to top this.
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Old July 19 2008, 03:59 AM   #191
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Speaking of the fundraiser, looks like people forgot about Bruce kicking everyone out of his party. His antics didn't seem to burn any bridges or end too many relationships.
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Old July 19 2008, 04:03 AM   #192
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Speaking of the fundraiser, looks like people forgot about Bruce kicking everyone out of his party. His antics didn't seem to burn any bridges or end too many relationships.
That's believable. He's the richest most powerful man in the city, possibly the nation. Everyone wants to suck-up to him because "he's Bruce."

Completely believable in the rich socialite universe. It may even be possible Bruce later explained his actions away by saying Rahs Ah Gul and his posse came in and threatened him.

But I do love how he plays the arrogant rich man like when he crashed the Lamborghni, stopping the death of the employee, and played it off as him just being out for a drive and showing up to the party/fundraiser in a helicopter flanked by a trio of beauties. He plays the arrogant playboy billionare well that's for sure.
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Old July 19 2008, 04:12 AM   #193
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It may even be possible Bruce later explained his actions away by saying Rahs Ah Gul and his posse came in and threatened him.
I doubt that, I think the story is still that he went nuts and burned his house down like a spoiled bored trust fund kid. However, I can believe the rest about him being "Bruce Wayne" and everyone wanting to be in his orbit no matter what. It was just interesting to actually see and I thought I'd raise the issue to see what others thought about it.

But I do love how he plays the arrogant rich man like when he crashed the Lamborghni, stopping the death of the employee, and played it off as him just being out for a drive and showing up to the party/fundraiser in a helicopter flanked by a trio of beauties. He plays the arrogant playboy billionare well that's for sure.
I loved those moments too. Don't forget that he also got a show shut down because he took the showgirls out on his yacht.

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Old July 19 2008, 04:16 AM   #194
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Speaking of the fundraiser, looks like people forgot about Bruce kicking everyone out of his party. His antics didn't seem to burn any bridges or end too many relationships.
That's believable. He's the richest most powerful man in the city, possibly the nation. Everyone wants to suck-up to him because "he's Bruce."

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Maybe they wanted to see him get drunk again and burn down another one of his homes.

I missed the cave but I know Bruce in the comics lived in a penthouse

Part 3 already sounds exciting with the developments from "The dark knight"

New "car"?

New love interest?( for movie sake)

The cave and mansion with some improvements in the house and the south east wing
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Old July 19 2008, 04:24 AM   #195
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I did love in BB when he played the notes on the piano opening the secret door down to the cave. I hope we get to see that again in the next movie.
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