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Old July 10 2008, 09:44 PM   #16
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Re: Hellboy II: The Golden Army - Grading & Discussion

I saw the first movie on DVD shortly after it was relased on that medium and was pleasantly surprised by it. A good, fun, film.

Look forward to this one and will, hopefully, be there tomorrow night to see it.
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Old July 10 2008, 09:53 PM   #17
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I saw it on TV yesterday. Wow. What an embarrasing mess.
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Old July 10 2008, 10:52 PM   #18
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^ Here's the direct link. Maybe that will work for you -

http://www.hellboymovie.com/media/im..._1280x1024.jpg
Superman if that didn't work try this. Its a link to it in my photobucket account.
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Old July 10 2008, 11:25 PM   #19
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Del Torro has not laid this out like Nolan has with Batman so your good to go and not worry about feeling lost.
Huh? I doubt if you go into The Dark Knight if not having seen Batman Begins that you would be very confused.
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Old July 10 2008, 11:29 PM   #20
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Nah, I don't think so. Batman is seperate stories. Superhero movies are really easy to follow. All you have to know is that Bruce Wayne is Batman. That's about it.
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Old July 11 2008, 12:39 AM   #21
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Hey Cap and Carpe,

Thanks very much, guys! I was able to get the pic...isn't it awesome?

Imagine seeing THAT in your last seconds of life...*shudder*

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Old July 11 2008, 01:04 AM   #22
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I saw it on TV yesterday. Wow. What an embarrasing mess.
You saw Hellboy II on TV already? WOW! What service do you subscribe to?
They've obviously got some sorta temporal displacement device in operation!
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Old July 11 2008, 01:26 AM   #23
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I meant the first one. FX has been rerunning it nonstop.
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Old July 11 2008, 01:29 AM   #24
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^ Then how come you rated the new movie as Poor?
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Old July 11 2008, 01:36 AM   #25
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I'm sure it will be.
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Old July 11 2008, 01:43 AM   #26
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I should know better than to trust Roger Ebert, but I read his review and he says that Hellboy himself is mostly CGI. Is this true? I thought one of the best parts of the first film was the fantastic Hellboy makeup. If he's mostly CGI this time, and not Pearlman in a suit,that's a huge disappointment.
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Old July 11 2008, 04:13 AM   #27
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Old July 11 2008, 07:13 AM   #28
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I should know better than to trust Roger Ebert, but I read his review and he says that Hellboy himself is mostly CGI. Is this true? I thought one of the best parts of the first film was the fantastic Hellboy makeup. If he's mostly CGI this time, and not Pearlman in a suit,that's a huge disappointment.
I sincerely doubt it. I think poor Roger was just a tad confused.


Definately hoping to see this one sometime over the weekend.

Would also recomend picking up the 3 disk directors cut if you're going to watch the first film. It apparently has a fair amount of extra footage that among other things really fleshes out the villains. No idea exactly where the new footage is inserted, since its the only version of the film I've seen.
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Old July 11 2008, 08:07 AM   #29
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Just got back from a midnite show. Excellent across the board, a worthy sequel to the first one. Very entertaining. Lots of humor, plenty of great action. If I was disappointed in anything at all, it was that



though if he'd figured it out sooner, we'd have missed a nice action set piece, so no real complaints.
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Old July 11 2008, 10:49 AM   #30
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Just came back from seeing it. I'd rate it Above Average. It was a very entertaining movie -- a huge improvement over the enjoyable but mediocre first film. The pacing is a bit erratic and lethargic at times, but halfway through it is salvaged by some truly ingenious character moments that enrich the film tenfold.

The film is comparable to Tim Burton's Batman Returns in the sense that it fully embraces its eccentric sensibility of its director, Guillermo del Toro. The first film was sort of partially del Toro, partially studio comic-book popcorn fluff, but Hellboy II is all del Toro. From the opening sequence to the final frame, it unabashedly has all of the normal del Toro staples: amazing creature designs, a vibrant production design, stunning visuals and a truly electric world. Anyone who has doubts about del Toro's take on the Hobbit universe should fret not after seeing this film.

I also loved how casual this film felt. After the first movie introduced the universe, del Toro now feels fully comfortable exploring it a bit more. Whereas Agent Meyers was our gateway into the universe in the first film, Hellboy and Abe Sapien (who gets much more screentime this time around) are basically regular guys in make-up. Speaking of Abe Sapien, while I loved his role in the film, I missed David Hyde Pierce's voice. Doug Jones wasn't bad, but I was so accustomed to Pierce's vocals that it took me some time to adjust, and retrospectively, while Jones has grown on me, I still think del Toro should have kept Pierce if only for continuity purposes.

Danny Elfman's score was a bit absent, but still noticeably Elfman-esque (especially with the choir). Johann Kraus was a fantastic addition and a memorable character, and supporting roles like Jeffrey Tambor's Manning added to the plot verses taking away from it. The villain storyline was a tad weak and underwhelming (and overly convenient for the plot).

Overall, I'd say it was an entertaining, fun comic-book movie that improves upon its predecessor like a sequel should. It definitely ranks up there, but some pacing and plot problems hold it from being truly fantastic.
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