The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion

[Crusher Disciple]

Trekker4747 wrote:

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So, this movie doesn't come out for another week and half.

What do we talk about until then?

Lipgloss.

[davejames]

Luke Lightsaber wrote:

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Should have just killed her. It's lame when they throw in some love story.

While I agree the execution of the Rachel character in the first movie wasn't the greatest, I do think she served an important role in the story. She was far more than just a "love interest" in that movie.

Besides, I thought it was nice seeing someone ELSE from Bruce's past besides just... Alfred and his parents. That dynamic has been explored to death already.

[Broccoli]

davejames wrote:

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While I agree the execution of the Rachel character in the first movie wasn't the greatest, I do think she served an important role in the story. She was far more than just a "love interest" in that movie.

Besides, I thought it was nice seeing someone ELSE from Bruce's past besides just... Alfred and his parents. That dynamic has been explored to death already.

I do like the fact that she balanced Bruce out, but I thought the whole love angle was completely tacked on at the end there. I couldn't buy it at all. Up until that point, I got nothing from their relationship other than being childhood friends.

[Philo]

Captain Craig wrote:

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What I want to know is who is the reviewer who is going to tread all over the posthumous praise of not only Ledger but dare to criticize to real degrees any flaws the film does have?

The build-up of buzz about Heath is overtaking the film to the point where I wonder if we can truly get an unbiased review.

I've no doubt its a fantastic piece of cinema, I just fear the rose colored goggles are preventing a more routine critique of the movie due to the circumstances.

I'm far more afraid of people who dislike the movie using this as an excuse.

[Captain Craig]

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See that there shows the level of reverence already attributed to this.

"If you find something to criticize and you do it, something is wrong with you"

People don't need an excuse if they adequately convey their gripe.
Just having a gripe or two doesn't mean that individual still doesn't find the piece as a whole enjoyable.

Its like TDK is the Obama of the cinema world.
Don't you dare talk bad about it.

[Aragorn]

Every movie, no matter how acclaimed, will have some bad reviews. Just like how even the worst movies will find someone who liked it to whore out his or her quote on the DVD cover. There are agenda critics out there who will bash any movie that doesn't fall into line with their "moral" or "political" or "cultural" beliefs, or overpraise movies because they do fit the bill they're pushing.

Maybe the guy who gave a positive review to Dungeon Siege will find something wrong with The Dark Knight.

Hell, Rotten Tomatoes used the "review" of Mission: Impossible III from some nobody on the internet who bashed the movie for the sake of bashing Tom Cruise, even though if you read what he said it was obvious that he never even saw the movie.

[Philo]

Captain Craig wrote:

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^^^^
See that there shows the level of reverence already attributed to this.

"If you find something to criticize and you do it, something is wrong with you"

People don't need an excuse if they adequately convey their gripe.
Just having a gripe or two doesn't mean that individual still doesn't find the piece as a whole enjoyable.

Its like TDK is the Obama of the cinema world.
Don't you dare talk bad about it.

Whoa, that's going to happen but don't attribute it to me. My point was exactly as you said, "People don't need an excuse if they adequately convey their gripe." Any discussion about the movie is going to instantly become irritating the moment people start bringing the hype in as some sort of 'reason' for their opinion. For either side of the argument, which doesn't need to be an argument in the first place. I hate that kind of fanboy entrenchment.

[Admiral_Young]

I'm going to miss seeing "The Dark Knight" on opening night next weekend because of my recovery from foot surgery. I have no idea when I'll be comfortable to risk going to the theatre...being pysched for "The Dark Knight" since the end of "Batman Begins" when that Joker card was flipped over, still remember hearing all the gasps and shouts of glee when people recognized it was the Joker! Looking forward to seeing Heath's performance as the Joker even despite the hype and high praise reviews he's getting...look I see it this way, if every critict is giving positive reviews over it then it must be something worth seeing right? Also looking forward to seeing Maggie as Rachel, liked Katie Holms in "Dawsons Creek" but her performance was kind of bland and unconvincing to me. As I've said in many other Batman Begins threads I would have perferred to have seen Taila as the love interest/human achor in that movie. Damn...I'll probably have to wait a couple of weeks and do my best to avoid spoilers.

[Frontier]

Did anyone save those Two-Face pics?

[Captain Craig]

I saved 3 of them

[Luke Lightsaber]

I'm kinda shocked. I sent a fan letter to Mr. Eckhart, and a Harvey Dent pic, and received it signed a few days ago. Very fast turnaround.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...eD/Dent001.jpg

[Aragorn]

FYI, Richard Roeper will have an early review for The Dark Knight on his show this weekend. Check your local listings for showtimes (since it's syndicated).

Also, he briefly wrote about the movie in his regular column:

Once again, our city shines on film. New York can make all the claims it wants to make, but Chicago IS Gotham City in "The Dark Knight," the highly anticipated Batman movie coming to theaters July 18.


I'll be reviewing it on "At the Movies with Ebert & Roeper" this weekend, but for now let's just say that it will be a huge upset if the late Heath Ledger ISN'T nominated for an Academy Award for best supporting actor -- and it won't be due to some maudlin sympathy vote.


Ledger doesn't have to steal every scene he's in because he walks in and owns it from the get-go. This is one of the funniest, creepiest, darkest, most interesting and most amazing performances I've seen in any movie this decade.

[Captain Craig]

Here is a nice write up in TIME magazine online.

The Dark Knight, Christopher Nolan's second chapter in his revival of the DC Comics franchise, will hit theaters with all the hoopla and fanboy avidity of the summer season's earlier movies based on comic books. It's the fifth, and three of the first four (Iron Man, Wanted and Hellboy II) have been terrific or just short of it. (The Incredible Hulk: not so hot.) It's been one of the best summers in memory for flat-out blockbuster entertainment, and in the wow category, the Nolan film doesn't disappoint. True to format, it has a crusading hero, a sneering villain in Heath Ledger's Joker, spectacular chases — including one with Batman on a stripped-down Batmobile that becomes a motorcycle with monster-truck wheels — and lots of stuff blowing up.

I'd argue TIH is better than that and Wanted not worth of carrying Iron Man's boots. They should switch spots but I digress.

[Aragorn]

Here's Richard Roeper and Michael Phillips' review of The Dark Knight on YouTube.

[Admiral_Young]

Thanks for posting that as I was looking forward to seeing what they would say about the film. I'm kind of surprised with all the glowing reviews that this movie has generated, even Oscar buzz as well and legitmate buzz too that seems rare. Maybe only Return of the King was the last to generate that. Damn my foot recovery!!!! I'm going to go crazy as the Joker this weekend. I hope you all who are going to see it this weekend appreiate the fact that you're able lol.