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Old July 7 2008, 09:50 PM   #31
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Re: Farscape reference in Demons of Air?

You may find some FARSCAPE references in VOYAGER: DISTANT SHORES.

I hear one of the stories has a few.
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Old July 7 2008, 10:20 PM   #32
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Re: Farscape reference in Demons of Air?

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Isn't Ishmael the one with all of the cameo appearances by characters from other series, and franchises?
Yep, mainly a "Here Come the Brides" crossover, but there were joke cameos from "Bonanza", "Have Gun, Will Travel", "Doctor Who", "Maverick" - and even the original "Battlestar Galactica", IIRC.
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Old July 8 2008, 01:01 AM   #33
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Re: Farscape reference in Demons of Air?

And Hokas from the prose-SF series by Gordon R. Dickson & Poul Anderson, among others. It wasn't just TV refs.

Plus, the strangest thing is that the Here Come the Brides characters weren't just cameo roles, but featured guest stars. Ishmael was a full-bore crossover between TOS and HCtB. It's amazing it slipped under the lawyers' radar.
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Old July 8 2008, 02:22 AM   #34
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Re: Farscape reference in Demons of Air?

I've read Enemy Territory 1.5 times (first time all the way through, second time my favorite parts) and First Mate Bialar flew right past me.

About Ishmael, Mary P. Taylor, who put together the "Star Trek: Adventures in Time and Space" compilation, said

"One book that I would have loved to include, but could not for legal reasons, was the Barbara Hambly book Ishmael, which wanders into another universe that does not belong to Paramount," added Taylor. Ishmael features characters and situations from the 1968 television series Here Come the Brides starring Mark Lenard, who also played Spock's father. "That was a fun read, but I think they had to work out a deal just to publish it in the first place."

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Old July 8 2008, 02:33 AM   #35
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It's amazing it slipped under the lawyers' radar.
Well, IIRC, Barbara Hambly didn't point out the (obvious) major crossover connection until late in the process, when she realised no one had panicked, but the new editor didn't worry too much (at first) because "Here Come the Brides" was a Paramount Production. What they hadn't realised was that the approval rights had since passed back to the original owners, and there was a last-minute legal scramble.

Had it all been done by the book, there would no doubt have been appropriate acknowledgements to the HCtB copyright owners in "Ishmael".
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Old July 8 2008, 02:38 AM   #36
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^ Or the idea could have been scuttled from the get-go. They're certainly not the most obvious properties to meld.

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Old July 8 2008, 02:45 AM   #37
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It's amazing it slipped under the lawyers' radar.
Well, IIRC, Barbara Hambly didn't point out the (obvious) major crossover connection until late in the process...
Where'd you hear about that? <swivels antennae>
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Old July 8 2008, 02:49 AM   #38
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^I think that that was mentioned in Voyages of Imagination.
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Old July 8 2008, 06:48 AM   #39
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^I think that that was mentioned in Voyages of Imagination.
Oh! Thanks for the reminder, I still need to get that book.
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Old July 8 2008, 07:35 PM   #40
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Re: Farscape reference in Demons of Air?

Kurak's service to "the great shipbuilder Makros". Bizarre Robotech reference?
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Old July 8 2008, 08:31 PM   #41
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Re: Farscape reference in Demons of Air?

Since I don't follow Robotech even a little bit -- er, no. I just came up with the name on my own....
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Old July 8 2008, 11:54 PM   #42
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Where'd you hear about that? <swivels antennae>
Hambly actually skirts around telling the whole story in VoI, apart from revealing its roots as a fan story she'd written as a teenager, and pulled from the drawer when David Hartwell did a ring-around of friends to canvas submissions.

So it must be her "Starlog" interview where she revealed the whole saga. It was in a time of editorial flux at Pocket - her manuscript sat around for over two years - and the connections to "Here Come the Brides" got missed in the shuffle. Even if Hartwell knew about HCtB being featured in "Ishmael", not all of his successors realised.
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Old July 9 2008, 08:04 AM   #43
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Just finished Day of the Vipers. Loved the Star Wars reference where one of the characters quotes Han Solo.
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Old July 22 2008, 11:41 PM   #44
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Re: Farscape reference in Demons of Air?

Just spotted "tralk" used as a Cardassian insult in The Mirror-Scaled Serpent, along with other funny references like B'Elanna descending to the seventh of nine floors, and Tuvok (the Vulcan played by Tim Russ) being a former slave of T'Kar (the Klingon played by Tim Russ).

Speaking of that story, the old woman who led the uprising on Cestus III is clearly Nan Bacco. In fact, there's really no reason for Cestus III to have been B'Elanna's former stronghold except for the chance to allow a gratuitous Bacco reference. I have no problem with that, by the way, since Bacco rules (literally, in fact).

But I cannot for the life of me figure out who the second Terran who tries to attack B'Elanna is, other than Tom Paris, while B'Elanna is interrogating Seska. He's described as being dark-haired and -skinned, with a beard and a mole on his cheek. I cannot think of any bit-part-player in VOY who matches that description. Is it supposed to be anyone, or just a random Terran? The unusually detailed description suggests the former.

Considering the Tuvok-T'Kar connection, I wondered if it was supposed to be the human that Tim Russ played in TNG "Starship Mine," just to complete the pattern.
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Old July 23 2008, 03:48 AM   #45
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^ No, that human wasn't anyone in particular. I just put it in there to mess with people.
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