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Old June 22 2008, 10:04 PM   #391
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Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers

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...the idea that he has to ensure he kills off a few really popular ST regulars in each volume...

Where'd you get this idea? I've seen nothing in anything (not even any of the outdated blurbs) that says (or even hints at) anything about killing off main or popular characters. In fact the blurbs to date insinuate he's resurrecting one, not killing one.
I think she is refering to one of Therin's comment above.

Exactly.
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Old June 22 2008, 10:13 PM   #392
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Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers

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I can imagine that the idea that he has to ensure he kills off a few really popular ST regulars in each volume in order to get into the mainstream media is definitely not a compliment
I was simply referring to some bbs regulars' jokes that David Mack had a reputation for high carnage rates in recent books. I'm certainly not advocating that he should/will kill off regular characters, nor that Pocket should do so just to get some publicity for the fiction lines.

As we've seen over and over since the death of Spock in ST II, no one stays dead too long in Star Trek - or science fiction or comics - anyway, and to kill off major characters hoping to sell extra books ends up distressing much of the fanbase, who may then stop reading said books.
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Old June 22 2008, 10:20 PM   #393
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Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers

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My point was that people who previously rejected a book because of a blurb may well come back to a book after hearing positive word of mouth (or indeed "media hype", of some kind).
I already agreed about the word of mouth part. All I'm saying is that I don't believe that there will be any media hype for the books. And there's nothing Pocket can do to create a media hype for the books, because they are too unimportant for the regular media.

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So why are we even talking about these people? Is the point that Pocket Books must write better blurbs?
That would be a good start. To be honest I can't remember one blurb in the last few years that really screamed at me: Read me! Most of the time I buy the Star Trek books because I either like the author or they are part of a series I follow.

But again, up until now I never even mentioned that Pocket Books does something wrong in my posts, you are the one who implies they do something wrong again and again.

Again, all I'm saying is that I don't believe that there will be any media hype for the books.

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I have seen you doing it with both full quotes and partial quotes here and over at psiphi.
Pardon me for not posting to your personal high standards.
It's common sense not to quote something you don't want to talk about, not a personal high standard.
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Old June 22 2008, 10:21 PM   #394
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Fair enough, but with the novels as they are now, will the same really happen with "JJ's Star Trek"?
"As they are now" how?

I don't understand. What's wrong with the novels as they are now? If JJ's movie does well, why won't there be renewed interest in ST novels?
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Old June 22 2008, 10:32 PM   #395
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Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers

Therin, Defcon, both of you need to cool off a bit. Perhaps agreeing to disagree might be the best viable option at this point.
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Old June 22 2008, 10:33 PM   #396
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It's common sense not to quote something you don't want to talk about, not a personal high standard.
Okay...
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Old June 22 2008, 10:39 PM   #397
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^ Why have you changed your post?

Therin, Defcon, both of you need to cool off a bit. Perhaps agreeing to disagree might be the best viable option at this point.
Maybe, but then again I think we first had to agree on what were are disagreeing on.

But that will be my last post in this topic until some new things come up, probably at Shore Leave.
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Old June 22 2008, 10:41 PM   #398
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Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers

I think the Pocket Books catalog cover for Destiny book 1 is pretty funny, considering it features the NX-01 fighting a Borg sphere. And I couldn't help but notice the "Not final cover" at the bottom. Hey guys, I'm not posting it this time or the "blurbs."
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Old June 22 2008, 10:44 PM   #399
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^ Why have you changed your post?
We were asked to cool off.
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Old June 22 2008, 10:54 PM   #400
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*Changed Following EMH's Post*
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Old June 22 2008, 11:21 PM   #401
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Fair enough, but with the novels as they are now, will the same really happen with "JJ's Star Trek"?
"As they are now" how?

I don't understand. What's wrong with the novels as they are now? If JJ's movie does well, why won't there be renewed interest in ST novels?
If a casual moviegoer - or even someone who's watched Trek in the past, but never sampled the novels - watches ST:XI and decides to pick up a few of the books, what's their point of entry?

Vanguard, a series which is set in the same era as the film, but features an unfamiliar cast of characters? Greater Than The Sum, ostensibly a TNG novel, but set beyond the series and featuring a handful of the original crew? One of William Shatner's books, starring a resurrected Kirk outside of mainstream continuity?

In the past, I've applauded and enjoyed things like the DS9 Relaunch, ongoing arcs, and original series. But I don't think those are the type of things that will draw in new readers - no matter how exciting and well-written they are, I'd question how accessible they are to newcomers.
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Old June 22 2008, 11:23 PM   #402
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Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers

Just a quick thought, assuming the blurbs are accurate, they state that the Borg are out to destroy the Federation, rather than assimilate it. That along marks a rather large change and suggests that this will be a different sort of Borg story entirely.

(Unless they already went this way in the TNG relaunch in which case ignore me)
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Old June 22 2008, 11:57 PM   #403
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Old June 23 2008, 12:16 AM   #404
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I think the Pocket Books catalog cover for Destiny book 1 is pretty funny, considering it features the NX-01 fighting a Borg sphere.
No, it features the NX-01 destroying a Suliban cell ship. It's a recycled image from a Ships of the Line calendar. A Borg sphere would be far bigger than that. Also spherical.
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Old June 23 2008, 01:05 AM   #405
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I think the Pocket Books catalog cover for Destiny book 1 is pretty funny, considering it features the NX-01 fighting a Borg sphere.
No, it features the NX-01 destroying a Suliban cell ship. It's a recycled image from a Ships of the Line calendar. A Borg sphere would be far bigger than that. Also spherical.
Maybe it's just a alternate universe Borg sphere ran by flying squirrels and rabid penguins.
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