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Old April 13 2008, 06:34 AM   #391
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

I'll be happy just to have examples of the sets and the ship in the same scale.

It'll give me a better idea of where I have to fudge things.
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Old April 13 2008, 09:30 AM   #392
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Sorry... I'm facing some work projects which need to take precedent over personal projects, so the notebook may be a little delayed.

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I'll be happy just to have examples of the sets and the ship in the same scale.

It'll give me a better idea of where I have to fudge things.
I'm not scaling the set plans to a ship (because people disagree on the size of the ship), but I will be displaying cleaned up plans on a 10 foot by 10 foot grid pattern. That should let anyone wanting to scale them to some exterior pretty easily.

Here are a few example thumbnails of pages so far...


I'm including a list of ship locations, Jefferies' plans (if available), Jefferies' sketches (if available), contours of screen caps, and other info shown in my sketches in this thread. They're design to be printed on 11" x 8.5" sheets, I tend to also use the backs of the previous pages for notes and sketches.
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Old April 13 2008, 10:12 AM   #393
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Those look very good.
Seems like you are giving the old lady the treatment she deserves.
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Old April 13 2008, 02:47 PM   #394
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Wow! Fantastic work.
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Old April 13 2008, 04:40 PM   #395
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Wow, these look great. Will we be getting full size copies of these thumbnailed pages? I sure do hope so.
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Old April 13 2008, 08:42 PM   #396
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Shaw wrote: View Post
Sorry... I'm facing some work projects which need to take precedent over personal projects, so the notebook may be a little delayed.
I like this material. Some years ago I had the urge to map out the Enterprise interior myself, and your approach is somewhat similar to what I had thought of doing.

Cool stuff.
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Old April 13 2008, 11:43 PM   #397
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No doubt these plans will help ginormously.
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Old April 14 2008, 11:52 AM   #398
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Shaw wrote: View Post
Sorry... I'm facing some work projects which need to take precedent over personal projects, so the notebook may be a little delayed.

Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
I'll be happy just to have examples of the sets and the ship in the same scale.

It'll give me a better idea of where I have to fudge things.
I'm not scaling the set plans to a ship (because people disagree on the size of the ship), but I will be displaying cleaned up plans on a 10 foot by 10 foot grid pattern. That should let anyone wanting to scale them to some exterior pretty easily.

Here are a few example thumbnails of pages so far...


I'm including a list of ship locations, Jefferies' plans (if available), Jefferies' sketches (if available), contours of screen caps, and other info shown in my sketches in this thread. They're design to be printed on 11" x 8.5" sheets, I tend to also use the backs of the previous pages for notes and sketches.
All I can say is:

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Old April 14 2008, 02:36 PM   #399
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^ Ditto!
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Old April 14 2008, 11:52 PM   #400
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Totally awesome. It is great to see that a great deal of attention is being given to this project. Great work.
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Old April 15 2008, 08:58 AM   #401
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

So looking at the reactions here have me wondering if maybe I'm going in the wrong direction. Would you guys actually be happier with something more like a manual (book type of thing) than a handful of sheets? There is tons of information here that might be better addressed in that format than just fitting it all onto a few 24" x 36" sheets.

Thoughts?


I saw in another thread that someone didn't believe that the dorsal had much in the way of room to offer, so I quickly supplemented one of my earlier sketches of the dorsal decks with this idea for an Officer's Club on Deck 9 (to match up with a string of windows on the dorsal)...


And I included an example restaurant which seats quite a few more people in a much smaller footprint as a sort of proof of concept.

Anyways, it is amazing the amount of space in the dorsal that is so often overlooked.
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Old April 15 2008, 11:19 AM   #402
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So looking at the reactions here have me wondering if maybe I'm going in the wrong direction. Would you guys actually be happier with something more like a manual (book type of thing) than a handful of sheets? There is tons of information here that might be better addressed in that format than just fitting it all onto a few 24" x 36" sheets.

Thoughts?
What I like about the booklet idea is that it would better document some of your design process, as well as your actual design. As you know there have been many attempts to map out the Big E, and over time, the reasons behind each attempt's various design choices become lost.

I have a variety of design ideas for my own take at a Big E layout. Whether those ideas ever come to fruition in a tangible form, I would try to document the reasons behind the design, so that years later -- assuming anyone still gives a crap about the designs -- they can get some idea of what craziness I was thinking at the time.

Another thing I like about the booklet idea is that it's unique. To my knowledge, no one else has done anything like this, so by default, your ideas would get a degree of attention that few others would enjoy.
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Old April 15 2008, 11:45 AM   #403
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Re: Another fan attempt at TOS deck plans

Shaw wrote: View Post
So looking at the reactions here have me wondering if maybe I'm going in the wrong direction. Would you guys actually be happier with something more like a manual (book type of thing) than a handful of sheets? There is tons of information here that might be better addressed in that format than just fitting it all onto a few 24" x 36" sheets.

Thoughts?


I saw in another thread that someone didn't believe that the dorsal had much in the way of room to offer, so I quickly supplemented one of my earlier sketches of the dorsal decks with this idea for an Officer's Club on Deck 9 (to match up with a string of windows on the dorsal)...


And I included an example restaurant which seats quite a few more people in a much smaller footprint as a sort of proof of concept.

Anyways, it is amazing the amount of space in the dorsal that is so often overlooked.
My only problem with what you've shown here (which is otherwise quite well-presented) is that I'm absolutely certain that the dorsal would need a LOT of mechanical structure inside of it. It can't just be a "tin can" with all of the internal structure available.

That said... your idea can still work. I just think that you need to add more, and heavier, internal structure there. That, also, from your example can be demonstrated to be worthwhile.

The tables you're using there, also as demonstrated in your example, are actually quite a bit larger than is necessary for the application you're presenting.

Beef up the structure in this area and I'd definitely buy off on your concept.
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Old April 15 2008, 11:53 AM   #404
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And I included an example restaurant which seats quite a few more people in a much smaller footprint as a sort of proof of concept.
Another example you could draw from would be a railroad dining car.
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Old April 15 2008, 04:40 PM   #405
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I disagree about the need for extensive structure, Cary. This thing can be a semi-monocoque structure, with the main framework lying deep within the saucer and secondary hull. That framework might have little to do with reinforcing the shape against momentum shifts under normal operating conditions. Reinforced hull structures made of exotic materials might do that work, while deep framing might only be there to lend support to the skin under extreme, abnormal stress.

I'd include some minor structure towards that end in the neck, as well as some redundant connections between secondary hull's main fuel sources and primary hull reactors. I'd also suggest a second turboshaft to clear that tight traffic spot between the two hulls. Otherwise, I agree completely with using the remaining neck for FJ-like public spaces. I'd also include VIP quarters (for special environments needs) and even temporary berthing for crew working in the upper secondary hull.
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