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Old April 8 2008, 01:30 AM   #16
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

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Would he still carry around the gong he used in Encounter at Farpoint?
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Old April 8 2008, 02:30 AM   #17
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

I would've much preferred this series to VOY. I think the TOS movies and Kirk's role in GEN were still relatively fresh when VOY premiered, and I think this show could've built on that.

I think Takei would be an okay lead. Of course it would work best if it was an ensemble show with some younger actors. But I would've loved to see the 'Lost Era' explored more. There was still the peace process with the Klingons, the saving of Qo'noS, the Tomed Incident, etc, etc. So many cool things could've been explored on a Excelsior show. Plus, it could've allowed for some TOS guest starring. It's a shame that it never came to fruition.

Also, I liked the idea of a Harriman show as well.
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Old April 8 2008, 03:17 AM   #18
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I would've much preferred this series to VOY. I think the TOS movies and Kirk's role in GEN were still relatively fresh when VOY premiered, and I think this show could've built on that.

I think Takei would be an okay lead. Of course it would work best if it was an ensemble show with some younger actors. But I would've loved to see the 'Lost Era' explored more. There was still the peace process with the Klingons, the saving of Qo'noS, the Tomed Incident, etc, etc. So many cool things could've been explored on a Excelsior show. Plus, it could've allowed for some TOS guest starring. It's a shame that it never came to fruition.

Also, I liked the idea of a Harriman show as well.

Harriman was a pussy.

Forget Takei. Take the basic Voyager premise and tweak it. No divided crew. No Neelix, no Piss or whatever her name was. Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, playing Sulu's grandson, Admiral Sulu leads a lightning raid against Cardassians. In an attempt to save a Federation settlement, Sulu wins the battle, but his ship is tossed into another quadrant or dimension. Either way he and his crew are tough and resourceful. They will fight to get home.

That would have worked.
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Old April 8 2008, 05:02 AM   #19
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^ Um, I think "no divided crew" WAS Voyager's problem, especially since they completely neutered the Maquis/Starfleet conflict at the end of the pilot.

An Excelsior show could've worked if Takei wasn't the star, but would he have gone for a supporting role?
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Old April 8 2008, 05:28 AM   #20
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^ Um, I think "no divided crew" WAS Voyager's problem, especially since they completely neutered the Maquis/Starfleet conflict at the end of the pilot.

An Excelsior show could've worked if Takei wasn't the star, but would he have gone for a supporting role?

It would have worked logically to have them at each other's throats all the time, while at the same time they were struggling to stay alive.

Lokk at history. Back in Viet-Nam you had racial tension between SOME balck and white troops. If you go back an read the accounts, that all disappeared in a hot LZ.

No. That idiot Berman, instead of trying to make a social statement, or make "Trek history" should have put a rock hard crew together, and make the tension surround how they would get home, struggling each day to survive. Kind of like the BSG reboot.

Berman emasculated Star Trek. I'm afraid this wuss movie will be just as bad.

What Paramount needed was a treatment from Saul Tigh.
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Old April 8 2008, 06:18 AM   #21
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What I would like would be a collapse of the federation due to internal strife. Yeah I know they sort of did this in Andromeda but they skewered that so bad that if you did it right no one would even mention Andromeda after the pilot premiere.
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Old April 8 2008, 02:51 PM   #22
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Berman emasculated Star Trek.
Compared to what version of Trek?
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Old April 8 2008, 03:24 PM   #23
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A Sulu series might have worked some years ago. It would be more a matter of writing scripts the cast could deliver and Takei's chops are good enough that he, like any other actor, would rise to the quality of the scripts provided him. Come on, plenty of so-called supporting players have risen above that station and gone on to bigger and better things...

But what interests me more is this idea for a different direction in Trek...

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Make it more of an ensemble where the captain gets the "and" credit. Maybe make the first officer the star.
Yeah we can set it on a space station just above a Federation protectorate just outside a stable wormhole. You could have a character that sits in the station's bar who's supposed to be a chatterbox, but (you will LOVE this) HE NEVER SAYS A LINE ON CAMERA! Toss in a war, maybe focus on the Captain in later episodes on the series, but really spend a ton of time on the majority of the cast, especially the first officer's religion, culture and love life with various significant others...

Oh, AND get two women to kiss on camera before the series goes off the air...

Now THAT might be a pretty decent show after a few seasons...

Of course we'd have to come up with a name for it, kind of dramatic like Space: 1999 but with Star Trek tossed in there somewhere...

Tongue planted firmly in cheek, I'm outta here...

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Old April 8 2008, 04:06 PM   #24
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Berman emasculated Star Trek.
Compared to what version of Trek?
TOS.
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Old April 9 2008, 01:59 AM   #25
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Re: Would a Captain Sulu series have killed trek?

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Berman emasculated Star Trek.
Compared to what version of Trek?
TOS.

The Great Bird himself did a perfectly fine job of that with the first two seasons of TNG. It could probably be argued (and certainly has been in other forums) that Berman actually helped save Trek from Roddenberry's influence.
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Old April 9 2008, 04:04 AM   #26
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Compared to what version of Trek?
TOS.

The Great Bird himself did a perfectly fine job of that with the first two seasons of TNG. It could probably be argued (and certainly has been in other forums) that Berman actually helped save Trek from Roddenberry's influence.
Shit, what else could he say?
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Old April 9 2008, 06:25 AM   #27
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Would it have killed it? Probably not. Would it have helped? No freaking way. It's too same old same old.
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Old April 9 2008, 02:50 PM   #28
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Compared to what version of Trek?
TOS.
Nope.

With respect to the kind of criteria you laid out in your post, it fails. By the standard of nuBSG or your "crew at each others throats" or "rock-hard crew" etc. TOS was just another squeaky clean world of skiffy action heroes.

So McCoy and Spock snapped at one another and Kirk sometimes emoted a little much when he had a tough decision to make. So what?
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Old April 9 2008, 03:59 PM   #29
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Compared to what version of Trek?
TOS.
Nope.

With respect to the kind of criteria you laid out in your post, it fails. By the standard of nuBSG or your "crew at each others throats" or "rock-hard crew" etc. TOS was just another squeaky clean world of skiffy action heroes.

So McCoy and Spock snapped at one another and Kirk sometimes emoted a little much when he had a tough decision to make. So what?

C'mon, dude, TOS! !960s! What did you expect? TV had nothing BUT one dimensional, celluliod, action figures. Batman and Robin. The Green Hornet and Kato. Napoleon Solo and Ilya Kuriakin. Jim West. Mannix. T.H.E. Cat. The entire troupe on Lost in Space. With sensors back then, you weren't going to get anything different.

All I'm saying is that if someone wanted a scenario in which you would have a Sulu commanding a ship, especially in a Voyager kind of setting, this is one way in which it could have worked.

If I say anything else, I'm get in trouble with someone because they'll insist I'm flaming Voyager...
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Old April 9 2008, 09:01 PM   #30
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I think "Flashback" made it perfectly clear that an Excelsior series using the elements from TUC would have sucked hard. Takei's not a brutal actor or anything, but his performance in that episode didn't exactly scream "make this into a series!" for me.
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