Destiny trilogy - speculations

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Who the hell is writing these blurbs anyway, that they're always so wrong? This is almost as bad as what happened with the Janus Gate novels (although in that case, the entirely incorrect crap was *written on the book cover*).

[Julio Angel Ortiz]

D-Mack had me at Si, se puede.

Borg destroying stuff, Captain Dax and the wreckage of the Columbia, and Titan finding a legendary captain... All we need is for Khan, Sela, Dukat, Silik, and Seska to band together with the Anti-Monitor and start a war across all of Trek's generations. That would be full of WIN.


Seriously, I think D-Mack's got this one taken care of.

[JeremyW]

Well, we don't know what's going to happen, but whatever it is, Destiny is sounding more and more appealing everyday. And it is funny that Amazon's description is nothing more than a rehash of fanfic ideas and speculation...come on, the 2006 hardcover featuring the Ships of the Line had a picture of the NX-02 crash landed on a desert planet in the Gamma Quadrant....people are fishing for something to write about just to promote early sales....now don't get me wrong...I'm a huge David Mack fan, and I will be buying these books, but I'll soon rather wait for the author or someone a little more legitimate to provide info than an online bookstore.

And personally, Captain Dax doesn't sound like a bad idea. (I think what Marco and the DS9 crew have done to Ezri's been awesome) Heck, Mack dropped the hint in Warpath. It could happen. Things aren't put in novels like that just to fill space.

Let's wait for the book to come out before we all bash it...if someone's going to spend over a year of his life doing something he thinks is important and relevant, then let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

[lvsxy808]

JeremyW wrote:

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And personally, Captain Dax doesn't sound like a bad idea. (I think what Marco and the DS9 crew have done to Ezri's been awesome) Heck, Mack dropped the hint in Warpath. It could happen. Things aren't put in novels like that just to fill space.

Damn it, i was just about to point that out and preen for being the first to do so. You beat me to it.

[Csalem]

I guess it is a coincidence that Ezri served aboard the USS Destiny before joining DS9?

[BrotherBenny]

I really wasn't bashing Destiny, I'm just hoping that the Borg really are destroyed this time; and I'm just a little fed up of hearing about dead folks brought back to life (except in the case of Trip). The Columbia story looks good and I guess it could be interesting to see someone with nine lifetimes being a Captain.

That gives me an idea...*runs to notebook*

[Christopher]

^^Of all the Trek authors, I think Dave Mack is probably the least likely to engage in the "bringing a dead character back to life" trope. Which is not just a joking reference to his "Angel of Death" reputation -- I think his body of work shows that he appreciates the dramatic impact of death that's permanent and lasting in its effects.

And I can guarantee that Destiny is not about reset buttons.

[Turbo]

Julio Angel Ortiz wrote:

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D-Mack had me at Si, se puede.

Borg destroying stuff, Captain Dax and the wreckage of the Columbia, and Titan finding a legendary captain... All we need is for Khan, Sela, Dukat, Silik, and Seska to band together with the Anti-Monitor and start a war across all of Trek's generations. That would be full of WIN.

Glad I'm not the only one having visions of Crisis in Infinite Federations.

Seriously, I think D-Mack's got this one taken care of.

Same here. :thumbsup:

[Warp Coil]

Wow. Just.... wow. That Amazon description sounds horrific! I hope it isn't true.

- More Borg? VOY ruined them. The TNG Relaunch thusfar hasn't reversed the damage. I think the Borg just need to lay dormant for a long, long time. Until there's a good enough reason to bring them back and make them truly scary. "Resistance" and "Before Dishonor" just didn't do it.

- Captain Dax? We're only getting one more DS9 novel before the Destiny trilogy, and it's not going to bring the DS9 Relaunch timeline up to speed with post-NEM. So what the hell happens in the time period between "Fearful Symmetry" and "Destiny" that allows for Ezri Dax to become Captain?

- Long-dead legendary Captain? Please don't let it be Kirk or Janeway.

[Sci]

I don't trust a damn thing in that entire summary. In point of fact, I'm half-tempted to conclude that everything in it is probably inaccurate, including the idea that the Borg are featured whatsoever.

Having said that, if the Borg were to be used in a dramatically competent way, it would make for fascinating reading. The Borg, as near as we can tell, post-VOY, are no longer unified into one Collective, correct? (I read Before Dishonor but not Resistence.) So it seems to me that doing a story about what happens when the Borg finally cease to exist as a galactic power would make for a very interesting way to upset the balance of power throughout the Milky Way -- civilizations and factions at varying levels of technological power could conceivably acquire various forms of Borg technology, radically altering their capacity to project power, to communicate, and to travel across vast distances. Just imagine if the Federation got their hands on a Borg transwarp hub... or the Romulans.

Mind you, that's a fairly bare-bones plot premise, and a good writer would need to inject more thematic concerns than just "OMG the Tholians have a transwarp coil!!!!!," but it could work if done properly.

[fleetcaptain]

I have to wonder who starts writing all of that info over on Amazon. I think whoever does it, wants all of this attention made about the book. I had no idea this was what the storyline was going to be in Destiny but we do have to wait and see for awhile longer.

I just don't understand about the Columbia part through. From the SOTL calendar, wasn't the Columbia discovered before the Dominion War started? I would think that whoever discovered her, would have taken everything back into the Alpha Quadrant. Who knows yet through.

[JoeZhang]

fleetcaptain wrote:

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I have to wonder who starts writing all of that info over on Amazon. I think whoever does it, wants all of this attention made about the book.

Well isn't that generally the purpose of marketing material??

[LightningStorm]

Stories are all about depth and meaning, not just "OMG! Borg! Run for your lives!" It bothers me that so many people write off the Borg because they're not "scary." Any bad-guy in any series needs to be well fleshed out and have something more than single-minded-destroy-everything with no depth or purpose mentality. I really wonder if sometimes the "they're not scary anymore" comment so many give is truly the reason, or if it's really that the direction they were taken in wasn't to their liking. Or do people really want an enemy that is never ever given back story, reason, or ever covered, just this one dimensional entity that swoops through and destroys everything every once in a while. The latter, to me, is absolutely HORRIBLE and I'd never want that.

It also bugs me that people think that just because a couple of people wrote the Borg poorly that the Borg simply can't be written well ever.

So, to me, even if Destiny is "all Borg all the time" the fact that I've yet to see how David Mack handles them leaves me without opinion on the subject until I actually see it. I only go in with the thought that so far he hasn't written a book I've disliked (not even a little bit) so this one almost can't be bad because of that.

[Christopher]

Warp Coil wrote:

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- More Borg? VOY ruined them. The TNG Relaunch thusfar hasn't reversed the damage. I think the Borg just need to lay dormant for a long, long time. Until there's a good enough reason to bring them back and make them truly scary. "Resistance" and "Before Dishonor" just didn't do it.

What, you think that if Dave tackled the Borg, they wouldn't be truly scary?

As for them needing to lay dormant, I have the same response to that as to the argument that filmed/televised Star Trek needs to remain dormant for a long time and the new movie is a bad idea. I think that, no matter how long or short the interval between stories, all it takes is one story done right to undo the perceived "damage."

At least, I hope so, since my next novel involves the Borg. I'd hope that people will approach my take on them with an open mind and judge it based on the work itself, instead of on their reactions to what came before it. And I hope they won't write off the aspects of my book that don't involve the Borg just because the Borg are one factor in the story. And Destiny, regardless of what it's about, deserves the same.

- Long-dead legendary Captain? Please don't let it be Kirk or Janeway.

I'm sorry, Dave, but I have to spoil it to halt these rumors... it's Captain America. Turns out Steve Rogers fell into the ice again and spent 373 years frozen this time around.

[nickyboy]

looks like the DS9-R is going to get an "after the fall" treatment like new frontier, where the story line will jump forward a few years and the the fill in the backstory to events as the story in the new time progresses