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Old February 16 2008, 05:56 AM   #316
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Re: Vance's Schematics II

The Paladin class is actually what the Kirov class probably ought to look like since, in SFB, it has an expanded secondary hull. Just add a standard TMP "neck", and that's the Kirov/Bismarck/New Jersey.
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Old February 16 2008, 02:02 PM   #317
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Re: Vance's Schematics II

I agree with : EliyahuQeoni -- about your designs

and :Icy_Penguigo -- about the Paladin
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Old February 16 2008, 08:51 PM   #318
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Re: Vance's Schematics II

Icy_Penguigo said:
The Paladin class is actually what the Kirov class probably ought to look like since, in SFB, it has an expanded secondary hull. Just add a standard TMP "neck", and that's the Kirov/Bismarck/New Jersey.
Yep and its already been done as a Starfleet Command game model.
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Old February 16 2008, 11:19 PM   #319
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Re: Vance's Schematics II

Icy_Penguigo said:
The Paladin class is actually what the Kirov class probably ought to look like since, in SFB, it has an expanded secondary hull. Just add a standard TMP "neck", and that's the Kirov/Bismarck/New Jersey.
While that makes sense, SVC actually told me that the Kirov was leaner than the Constitution, having a shorter neck and lowered nacelles. I don't think I've done the extended TOS secondary hull yet (there are a few other designs that warrant it), but I definitely will prioritize it if the Kirov is a longer vessel.
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Old February 17 2008, 07:04 AM   #320
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Note: Due to abuses of the toolkits given out, any ships posted from here on in will not be eligible for 'toolkit' use, in any way shape or form, and will enjoy my full copyright. No permission is given for reuse, editing, or redistribution without my explicit consent.
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Old February 17 2008, 12:42 PM   #321
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Damn! I was waiting for the Excelsior-saucer.

What happened?
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Old February 17 2008, 01:26 PM   #322
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Vance said:
Note: Due to abuses of the toolkits given out, any ships posted from here on in will not be eligible for 'toolkit' use, in any way shape or form, and will enjoy my full copyright. No permission is given for reuse, editing, or redistribution without my explicit consent.
Question: does this constitue a demand for all ships made with your parts pages to be withdrawn from all forums? If the existing pages are still open for use, what credits aree you requiring to be placed?
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Old February 17 2008, 03:53 PM   #323
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No, the stuff that's out (the toolkits) is OUT. I gave those away and I'm not taking those back. Keep in mind that ONLY the toolkits were made publically available, which was one rule that was violated.

The rule was pretty simple, if you start using the toolkits you had to not pass the work off completely as your own. You also couldn't just slightly alter existing artwork and pass it off completely as your own. That was what was violated.

I've been finding 'wreck-bashes' uncredited all over. I was giving them a miss for the most part until a few people were getting 'in your face' about doing it. At that point, I decided it was time to end the project.

Apparently, for just enough of the fans, getting something for free with nothing more than a 'by your leave' attached was just too much of a price to pay.
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Old February 17 2008, 04:36 PM   #324
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Again, something good ends because of some peoples' STUPIDITY and GREED!

Well done.
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Old February 18 2008, 02:06 AM   #325
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Vance said:
No, the stuff that's out (the toolkits) is OUT. I gave those away and I'm not taking those back. Keep in mind that ONLY the toolkits were made publically available, which was one rule that was violated.

The rule was pretty simple, if you start using the toolkits you had to not pass the work off completely as your own. You also couldn't just slightly alter existing artwork and pass it off completely as your own. That was what was violated.

I've been finding 'wreck-bashes' uncredited all over. I was giving them a miss for the most part until a few people were getting 'in your face' about doing it. At that point, I decided it was time to end the project.

Apparently, for just enough of the fans, getting something for free with nothing more than a 'by your leave' attached was just too much of a price to pay.
Thank you for clarifying the situation...for whatever it's worth, I'm sorry that people have abused the opportunity you gave them with your fantastic "toolkits". If any of MY 'bashes have offended, please inform me which ones and I will pull them down immediately.
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Old February 18 2008, 03:30 PM   #326
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Damn, Vance. That's a shame.

I ran into the same thing years ago on the SSDB when I had all these kids producing fan-wank "USS AzzKikker NX-50000000-Z" ultra-fast-battle-destroyer-dreadnaughts with 20 warp nacelles and 100 phaser strips. It honestly got silly and tiresome after a while, and these were all supposedly "serious designs". Ugh... That was the major reason I stopped taking submissions for the database. It honestly wasn't worth my time any more to keep up with all that flotsam.
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Old February 18 2008, 03:58 PM   #327
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Re: Vance's Schematics II

Im sorry if i cause you any pain from my requests

and i was thinking about actually useing your Tool kits for a design idea i had already drawn but now i have to know if its ok to do it and post it here or whereever now

I hope Someday you do continue those Tool Kits they do make it easyer to create some good and Fresh Starship designs
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Old February 20 2008, 12:49 AM   #328
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Not coincidentally, I was working on this when all this happened. The extended hull (which was meant for some of Aridas' works) is included, which is one reason I was so annoyed. Since it's DONE, I'll go ahead and put it out as part of the existing toolkit set, under the same rules as before.

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Old February 20 2008, 12:53 AM   #329
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Ugh... That was the major reason I stopped taking submissions for the database. It honestly wasn't worth my time any more to keep up with all that flotsam.
*laughs* The big problem wasn't really just the lack of credit, but the actual statement of 'screw you, we can use anything that's put on the internetz!' from the offender. And, yes, he did it to make another over-sized and over-powered Super Dreadnought too.

I suppose I should reconsider, really.. but I'm also thinking of taking the plunge full-on into Canvas and follow Jackill's lead.
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Old February 20 2008, 01:29 AM   #330
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Re: Vance's Schematics II

Vance said:

*laughs* The big problem wasn't really just the lack of credit, but the actual statement of 'screw you, we can use anything that's put on the internetz!'
That's just unbelievable... Some people are real pieces of work. Personally, I really appreciate your toolkits. I don't think I'd have taken the plunge into ship designs without your training wheels. Granted I haven't done much, but what I have done started with me playing with your spare parts Thanks!
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